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Kubica leaves hospital

Discussion in 'Formula 1' started by Big Ern, Apr 21, 2011.

  1. Big Ern

    Big Ern Lord, Master, Guru & Emperor

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    yeah, looks like he really has left now. A short period of rest and recuperation and then he starts his rehabilitation. I hve a feeling we'll see him before the end of the season.
     
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  2. genjigonzales

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    Another operation today, says Autosport, and Renault positive about his rehabilitation. I read the other day that they might be in a position to make a call on the likelihood of his return to F1 in June, hopefully.
     
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  3. cosicave

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    I hate to be the one to be first to pour cold water on hope but I fear that many many people are leaving themselves vulnerable to considerable disappointment.

    Here is my reality check and it is as cold as stone: Kubiça is very very unlikely to be competitive again.
     
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  4. genjigonzales

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    I know. I can hope, however unrealistically. To be honest, I'm continuing transferring the races to my media player and have just finished Italy 2006 - his third race, his first six laps leading a GP, and his first podium. A very interesting period, this, with Vettel replacing Kubica as BMW's Friday test driver and Hamilton testing for McLaren and rumoured to replace de la Rosa in China, not to mention Alonso's outrageous penalty for blocking Massa in qualifying.
     
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  5. cosicave

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    Aah yes. Thanks for the reminder of that mini-era Genji…
     
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  6. The Iceman

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    Never say never. I have the utmost faith that Kubica CAN be competitive when he returns. He is a very determined individual.
     
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  7. ErnieBecclestone

    ErnieBecclestone Well-Known Member

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    Vary rarely does a driver fully 100% recover from the sort of injury Kubica suffered, invariably a compromise situation arises and that's the problem, something is not quite right, not much help driving F1. I must agree with Cosi, sadly Robert Kubica will not be the same Robert Kubica as before the accident, although I hope I am wrong.
     
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  8. Big Ern

    Big Ern Lord, Master, Guru & Emperor

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    It all depends on the degree of movement he's lost, and where. they're hoping for full functionality of his right forearm, but, tbh, even if they only get it to 75% I think it'll be enough. It isn't his skill or reactions that have been damaged, cars can be modified (not that i think it'll be necessary), and the actual range of arm movement isn't that great when driving an F1 car, and the arm positions are close to a natural resting state, steering movement tends to come from a rotation of the shoulders, It'll be the nerves and feed-back from the area that may cause the biggest problem. that and the fear factor of having such a painful accident.
     
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  9. ErnieBecclestone

    ErnieBecclestone Well-Known Member

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    A 25% deficit in forearm function would be catastrophic in my opinion.
     
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  10. genjigonzales

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    And if that's not a leading comment I don't know what is.
     
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  11. Big Ern

    Big Ern Lord, Master, Guru & Emperor

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    really? name 1 time other than getting in or out (excluding fist and arm waving a' la Alonso) whenever do racing drivers bend their forearms more than 30 degrees? Alessandro Nannini lost his forearm, after it was repaired (sewn back on) he had very minimal movement in his right hand, and, although it did end his F1 career (he was 32 at the time of his accident, nearly at the end of his F1 career anyway) he still managed to race very competitively in DTM for a few years winning 3 races in his first season, and went on to race in the F1 masters series whilst it lasted. His injury was far worse than Kubicas.
     
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  12. ErnieBecclestone

    ErnieBecclestone Well-Known Member

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    I can't name any because there are no drivers who have gone on to win F1 WDCs following such injuries, simply because it can't be done, just think about it for a moment we have Hamilton, Button, Webber, Vettel, and most of the top twenty F1 drivers in perfect health, super fit, at the top of their game without serious injuries and all these guys without exception are finding it difficult to get and stay at the top. Kubica has no chance, he should have given it more thought before he went off to play at rally driving, in Italy of all places, Bloody crazy idiot.
     
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  13. Masanari

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    I have always thought Kubica was a bit overrated to be honest, sadly for both me and him it is now impossible for me to be proved right.
     
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  14. ErnieBecclestone

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    Tambo:
    I've always rated Kubuca just outside the top five or six, sadly I don't rate his chances at all now, in fact I will state here and now he will never even win an F1 race.
     
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    Yeah, well he was a bit of a tosser, going off rallying, in my opinion.
     
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  16. cosicave

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    In reality, I'm afraid it's a bit more than this; there are all manner of psychological factors involved. For a moment, let's cast aside any physical difficulties, many if not most of which are minor compared with what happens in the head…

    At this level, one cannot afford to have the slightest doubt. Nor can one afford to look the wrong way when confronting any such doubt, by which I mean that it is very easy to ask the wrong questions of oneself when looking at lap times (for instance) and all too easy to reflect upon one's personal circumstance as a vague and unfulfilling explanation, which leads directly to the sense of no solution being available. This tends to kill off the necessary 'edge' required to be competitive at the very highest level (but of course does not mean he would be uncompetitive elsewhere).

    I hope I am wrong about Kubiça but I've seen it happen far too often to hold out any realistic hope of him returning to where he was: a promising and perhaps slightly unproven driver, who may have had the ability to get into the very top flight. But that's life and it gets almost all of us…
     
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  17. cosicave

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    Please see my last comment (above). Unfortunately it takes more than determination - although of course this is absolutely vital.

    I have not the slightest doubt about Kubiça's determination. Not the slightest! But this is only one ingredient (however important it is) to the success I would like to see and which you are and others are hinting at.
     
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