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Klopp leaving Dortmund

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  1. chelsea - over 100 years of history

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    Just a shame he rested on his laurels and never tested himself in any of the other big leagues. Jose's won titles in 4 major leagues and the C.L in 2.

    Legend though to be fair even if that picture is a little bit kiddy fiddler. ;)
     
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  2. BobbyD

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    Can't begrudge the old man. He has a phenomenal record. Shame he's CL record wasn't as good as it should have been but he was at a disadvantage all them years with the foreigner rule. Time will tell if Jose will surpass him.
     
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    It's a tough one to be honest.
    On one hand, yeah you can say he never went anywhere else.
    But it must be hard to leave a club where you have total control and a history of success.
    If you are happy and continue to be successful, then I am not sure I would be too prepared to leave and take that risk.
     
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    Not sure anyone would consider Supaliga and Serie A as major leagues any time in the past decade to be perfectly honest.
     
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  5. Stan

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    You're starting to sound like Katie. That's not a compliment!

    In fact, you're also sounding like Ossie with the kiddy fiddler comment.

    Oh dear, they've infected you. You're close to being officially classified as a moron!
     
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    Nobody will match his achievements. Many will win titles at various clubs. Sir Alex is unique.
     
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  7. chelsea - over 100 years of history

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    Depends on what you judge against. Jose won't win as many P.L titles, maybe no one ever will. Jose's already more proven around Europe and done it in multiple major leagues. Both have won a treble. Jose should also win more C.L. Both will go down as greats though.
     
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    Being manager of Chelsea, Real Madrid and Inter will probably go against Joses record. Not saying it isnt great but he didnt do anything overly special at any club bar lift the CL with Inter.

    Fergies biggest achievements are his first title, clawing back Newcastle in 96, a treble in 99, toppling the supposed dominance of Chelsea and then out performing both money clubs with change he found down the back of a sofa. Include the numerous squad he built and you start to see jusr how far behind Jose and everyone else is.

    No disrespect to Jose though.
     
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  9. Stan

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    Can Jose sustain success at one club for longer than three years or will he forever be a nomadic manager looking for the next club with a whopping great transfer budget (and running away the minute he's challenged)? Where's left after Chelsea? Bayern perhaps. After that he'll have been chased out of every major league in Europe so will either have to take a job in Russia or become the Portugal manager.
     
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    How can winning Inter's first ever treble not be special? Or taking wildly unfancied Porto to the C.L, winning Chelsea's first title in 50 years. Beating the best club side probably ever in Barca to the title. These are all achievements at the very least on par with Fergie's best.

    As I say, both will go down as greats though, though probably for different reasons as their careers have been completely different. Fergie was essentially a one club man, continued to rebuild sides and had sustained success. Jose is a man more travelled but had success everywhere he's been. Even when not winning the C.L he's made numerous semi finals as well.
     
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    I think in the long run he will be an international manager.

    But the money thing is partly a myth. Yes he had it at Chelsea first time round and again at Real (like every Real manager) but he won things at Porto and Inter without spending loads and looks like he might win a title at Chelsea on less spent than the Manchester clubs.
     
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    Yeh, that was a great achievement. Everyone was really impressed! The way City won their first title in decades was also a massive achievement by a massive club. Both came totally out of the blue (pun intended).
     
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    I said Inters CL win was impressive and I never mentioned Porto. You are another who in your desperate scramble to attack a post misses the whole point.

    Winning Chelseas first title after a billionaire bankrolled the club was as impressive as Mancini winning citys. Not very.
     
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  14. Stan

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    The way the current Chelsea squad has been pieced together with cheap signings, loan signings and players coming through the ranks is one of football's great achievements.
     
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    If he was to look up now, he would see your point as it flew over his head.
     
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    Net spend or something?
     
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    They're big fans of net spend since the Luiz transfer. They weren't so keen on it after the Ronaldo transfer. That transfer was somehow "unfair" and gave a wrong impression of how much money United had invested in their team.
     
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    I think retaining the title was more impressive to be honest.
    We have see clubs spend fortunes to nick a title (City, Blackburn) but retaining it? Not even City have done that, for all their millions, and Blackburn failed miserably in their title defence.
    Arsenal also never retained the PL title.
     
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    Jose sustaining it will be something that he will need to work towards. Fergie was outspending all clubs from 94 - 2000s so not sure you can be excusing Jose and his whopping budgets. Anyway, boohoo no one will care how much who spent at the end of it as long as their are titles to show for it
     
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  20. Stan

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    Best keep that to yourself, it won't make you very popular amongst the angry, older Chavs.
     
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