KIO encouraging positive discrimination

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The director of football's anti-discrimination campaign Kick It Out suggests that clubs should consider employing a 'minority' candidate if there are two equally-qualified people to choose from.

"Positive action has got to be looked at," Kick It Out director Roisin Wood tells BBC Sport's Saj Chowdhury. "It's not about giving someone a role they cannot do and are not qualified to do.

"When it comes down to the final two equally-qualified candidates, then it's about looking at where are your levels of under-representation are at the club. Positive action should be looked when it comes to diversification in football."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/23500046

Seriously, what the ****? Under-representation doesn't (shouldn't) exist in a company who employ people on qualifications alone. Where they come from or personal information like religion should have nothing to do with getting the job in the first place. If the company is correctly run, having 90/100 staff who are, for example, white British and 10/100 who are Asian shouldn't mean you need to consider recruiting black candidates <doh>.

No two people are ever the same qualified; higher grades, more experience, higher level of experience, extra qualifications, etc...

When even Kick It Out start encouraging this crap, we're diving well and truly down the wrong rabbit hole and opening a crate of worms, never mind one can.
 
Sisu said:
isn't that against employment laws to choose an employee based on ethnicity?
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I see alot of jobs advertised in my area tha say only a certain minority should apply. Usually social care/council role in a minority based area.

The only thing you are not allowed to write is only white british should apply..lol
 
What a joke. Any form of discrimination should be frowned up on. It's like saying 'we're against discrimination unless it's in our favour'.

Bunch of hypocrites - it will only enhance the divide between cultures etc.
 
look this is rather simplfying the issue of racism in football but this campaign.

this is not like the houses of parliament trying to encourage women mps to come forward.... there they know the barriers to running for office and have to work on these.

here we have a deep seated cultural divide. who are being positively disciminated for? certain communities are quite well represented in football and simply put some communities just don't bother. sorry but in general asian go play cricket and Chinese don't seem to want to do much of any. that is of course a vast stereotype. you will find the family who sends their kid along finds that kid gets along just fine but the family who holds their kid back don't integrate well.

kick it out need to go work with parents not try to get clubs to pick one boy over another boy.
 
Also, how does it sit with a candidate chosen if they are aware they are a token choice, I would imagine that is self defeating.

if someone fails to get picked because they are a non minority and have proof of such, the legal backlash would be swift and harsh on the employer.

KIO really do have some self serving clowns in their ranks
 
Putting aside the notion that all businesses need to reflect the ethnic make up of their communities to work well for the community....

Can we define "under representation" before taking this kind of action? I mean is it to reflect the national % of ethnic divides, or for example should LFC look at the city of Liverpools ethnic make up? Or should it be fan base? Going on recent pictures we're going to have to hire a lot of Asian employees if that's the case.

But let's take regional figures (2009 estimates) : the community for LFC

91% white
2% mixed
3% Asian
1.9% black
2.1% Chinese or other ethnic

Now I can't find a breakdown for the club but at a rough guess I'm thinking we're over represented in the Black group and under represented in the Asian and Chinese groupings.

So no more black players and more Asians & Chinese (why are these seperate; genuine question) for the next couple of years. Because that's what KIO want right? Less black players yeah?
 
And yes I know its not just players, its CEO's managers secretaries cleaners etc but I'm guessing I'm right overall employees wise that we are still over represented & underrepresented in the stated areas.
 
'Positive' discrimination in the workplace was the work of left wing, sandal wearing, real ale drinking, beards, who thought that 'quotas' are something that should have a place in large companies.

However, it's been proven on many occasions (once at a company I actually worked for) that when 2 identical CV's have been sent in applying for the same job & it was no thank you Mr Patel, but come on down for an interview John Smith....:police:

It's a thorny issue & one that's often clumsily handled and whilst the idea is well meaning, the delivery & execution is often way off beam
 
Tobes said:
'Positive' discrimination in the workplace was the work of left wing, sandal wearing, real ale drinking, beards, who thought that 'quotas' are something that should have a place in large companies.

However, it's been proven on many occasions (once at a company I actually worked for) that when 2 identical CV's have been sent in applying for the same job & it was no thank you Mr Patel, but come on down for an interview John Smith....:police:

It's a thorny issue & one that's often clumsy handled and whilst the idea is well meaning, the delivery & execution is often way off beam
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Yup, I mean I can genuinely see where "misrepresentation" if you will can matter to a community. All white police officers patrolling an all black or Asian community. Those officers may be straight as the day comes but if the govt of the day issues them stop & search powers in an effort to be visibly tackling crime, the reality is you have white men stopping black men all the time. Logical argument goes out the window & perception is all that matters .

Unfortunately it's something you wouldn't trust in the hands of any local authority to get remotely right!
 
Tobes said:
'Positive' discrimination in the workplace was the work of left wing, sandal wearing, real ale drinking, beards, who thought that 'quotas' are something that should have a place in large companies.

However, it's been proven on many occasions (once at a company I actually worked for) that when 2 identical CV's have been sent in applying for the same job & it was no thank you Mr Patel, but come on down for an interview John Smith....:police:

It's a thorny issue & one that's often clumsy handled and whilst the idea is well meaning, the delivery & execution is often way off beam
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It might not be so easy for small companies, but in my experiences applications are always stripped of identifying information (name, age, gender etc.) for the initial selection stages. IMO positive discrimination is stupid because it enforces a mindset where you are encouraged to very carefully consider the race, gender etc. of people, which is completely at odds with the correct message which should be that these things don't matter.
 
Tobes said:
'Positive' discrimination in the workplace was the work of left wing, sandal wearing, real ale drinking, beards, who thought that 'quotas' are something that should have a place in large companies.

However, it's been proven on many occasions (once at a company I actually worked for) that when 2 identical CV's have been sent in applying for the same job & it was no thank you Mr Patel, but come on down for an interview John Smith....:police:

It's a thorny issue & one that's often clumsily handled and whilst the idea is well meaning, the delivery & execution is often way off beam
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I've no doubt there are some backwards companies who would take the standard white applicant given the choice, but suggesting that they should instead take the minority applicant is just swinging the opposite way and solves nothing other than being able to report better quota balances in employment. Positive discrimination is just as bad as discrimination and is not a solution.
 
Dirtyfrank said:
Yup, I mean I can genuinely see where "misrepresentation" if you will can matter to a community. All white police officers patrolling an all black or Asian community. Those officers may be straight as the day comes but if the govt of the day issues them stop & search powers in an effort to be visibly tackling crime, the reality is you have white men stopping black men all the time. Logical argument goes out the window & perception is all that matters .

Unfortunately it's something you wouldn't trust in the hands of any local authority to get remotely right!
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I think in that scenario it's merely common sense, but in the corporate world it has no real place imo. In years gone by I've been involved in conversations around roles that need filling to adhere to National quotas with specific job roles being ear marked for ethnic & disabled candidates, before the adverts had been placed. You could never advertise the fact, but we knew that role was going to tick a quota box. Terrible really.
 
astroturfnaut said:
It might not be so easy for small companies, but in my experiences applications are always stripped of identifying information (name, age, gender etc.) for the initial selection stages. IMO positive discrimination is stupid because it enforces a mindset where you are encouraged to very carefully consider the race, gender etc. of people, which is completely at odds with the correct message which should be that these things don't matter.
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I've never seen that used in 20 years of management & the company in question had 47 sites & employed 2500 people.
 
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