If Enable gets beat it wont be the ground, not as if its going to be extreme anyway, she won the Oaks in a monsoon, it was certainly loose on top and there was mud flying up the straight.
Me too, I'm fed up of reading Eddies nonsense about Ulysses, atleast after he'll be in hiding for a few weeks
I dont fancy Ulysses Shergar, I fancy Jack Hobbs, thought that was pretty clear from my first post on the thread and every one after. So not sure why I would be in hiding if a horse I expect to lose loses. Ive never went in hiding after any I expected to win lost. Im putting a saver on Ulysses because I need to, but I like everyone else dont believe he has his conditions here, thats why hes 10/1, that why Highland Reel has went from 5/4 to 5/1, no one is expecting him to run his best race. I dont think Ulysses will be disgraced here, im expecting him to run a big race without winning, but I would be sick if he was to win and I wasnt on at that price. If you want to give it big licks if he doesnt win fine but I and anyone else of sane mind wont take much notice or define the horse on this run, its pretty clear from the betting he is not expected to win this, he isnt even certain to run yet. And just to add, when Im saying historic performance/win etc its tongue in cheek and you keep biting. I like the horse and to me his Eclipse win is what the flat is all about, he wouldnt get near my favourite horses like New Approach and Zarkava at this stage and im not saying he is some sort of super horse, but he has potential still, ive a feeling he could achieve a lot more over the next 18 months. Some horses you just take to, they might not be the best, and Ulysses is one of them for me, he has personality.
Not likely to run, next assignment abroad I think as they see that as their easiest way to bag a group one
the best 3 year old form this season in my opinion is the Dante - therefore Benbatl must be considered each way. the winner I am still not sure about.
Not sure how you worked that out Steve. He ran a pretty good time in the going, but half an hour earlier Blond Me's time was the equivalent of finishing about 6l behind the winner Permian (or 5.25l behind Bebatl. And Benbatl finished 0.5l ahead of Crystal Ocean. Now Crystal Ocean isn't a bad horse but I doubt he would get within a length of winning a KG&QL . And I can't see Blond Me getting within 5l of winning a KG&QL He clearly acts on any ground, so that won't be a problem. I actually think his run in the Derby was better than his run in the Dante. As mentioned above I think the Derby winner may well have been under appreciated and he may well have been in with a great chance in this race. Bebatl was a length behind the winner 2f out and got beaten 3.5l. Over the last 3f he was the second fastest (the winner being the fastest) and his final finishing speed was the fastest (equal with the winner). And the overall time for the Derby was pretty fast. If you believe that the Derby winner could have won or gone close to winning this race then you could argue Benbatl has place claims, especially if he is thereabouts 2 out.
Ten declared: Desert Encounter Highland Reel Idaho Jack Hobbs Maverick Wave My Dream Boat Ulysses Sixties Song Benbatl Enable Hoping all ten go to post.. quite a bit of rain forecast Saturday morning so Ulysses probably the one most under threat of being pulled late, think O'Brien will let both of his take their chance
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It is more your assertion that he is now better than Highland Reel, and has proved that based on beating an an unproven 3yo in a photo. You are damn right that Ulysses will not be winning the KG, even if he had conditions in his favour. The fact you have to waste money on him by having a saver, highlights your weaknesses as a gambler. Never allow your heart to rule your head where money is concerned.
You are not accounting for one important thing, I dont really give a **** about money. I dont have to waste money on him, he won me a right few quid last time out, hes a class horse, and I will pay to remove the possibility of him absolutely sickening me by winning at what would look a ridiculous price.
You don't give a **** about money, but you'd feel sick if you didn't win any money from a Ulysses KG victory. Ok
I dont like to lose, but the money isnt that important as long as I have enough, I wont win much if Ulysses wins, but having a saver on him will stop me from getting triggered, I can watch the race now without a sore head and enjoy it. Ive got the value I wanted on Jack Hobbs, I dont care if Enable wins at that price and im loving it if Ulysses wins and I dont lose on the race.
As you know I've liked Jack Hobbs for a long time, but aren't you concerned about his run LTO? I've got to say I could not back him after a run like that.
No im not worried about his last run, I think hes odds on to turn up with these conditions, but the question is whether hes good enough to beat Enable on the day, I think hes got a good chance. The majority of horses I back have been tailed off in recent runs, not normally in group 1s but in this case with his profile im not worried about it, if it was the first bad run of his life id maybe be worried.
