I still stand by what I said. Kilkenny isn't a good enough player if we want to be challenging for promotion. He's a passenger. However, I agree with his comments about Bates. We all give our opinion on him on a football forum, it's different to Bates insulting him in public. Kilkenny's shone some light on the contract dealings and how players are treated at the club. I didn't rate Kilkenny at all, but the manager clearly wanted to keep him - hence the contract offer - but the offer wasn't good enough compared to Bristol City's ffs.
Yep you can slag Kilkenny for being a ****e footballer, but agree with his comments about the things he says about Bates, whats wrong with that ClownTime?
was one of those who abused him on saturday but i have a new ound respect for the guy standing up for himself
I didn't actually say you were. You have an opinion like everyone else and you wish to say it on this forum, like everyone else. The "hypocrisy" you have stated, appears not to be based on Kilkenny's contract issues with Bates, but on your belief he was a decent player for the club. Most Leeds fans, don't have much time for Kilkenny due to his playing ability, and have stated so, but you have found an excuse for your argument via the issue with his contract and Ken Bates. The issue of this subject was not about Kilkenny's football skills or lack of them, it was about his problems with Ken Bates and the Leeds board, which must have been difficult for him and most (if not all Leeds fans) have praised him for saying what he has, this doesn't change the fact he was a poor performer for Leeds Utd and I would suggest you should stop trying to change the actual narrative of the subject to suit your argument. All some people have done, is praise him for saying what he has about the way the club is run, if we didn't know how bad things can be with Bates, we do now. The chap can be praised for things he says or writes, but the issue over his football performance as a Leeds United player, is no longer up for debate for many Leeds fans. The mirror was used for you to appreciate, that your just the same as everyone else on this forum, entitled to your opinion, but also have to accept the criticism/counter argument your opinion might lead to.
You really don't understand that everything isn't black and white do you? He's a player who wasn't good enough BUT one who stood up to a ****er and a bully for which he has my respect. Anyone would think you were some sort of wind-up merchant or something, wouldn't they?
You really don't understand that some things can only be black or white, or perhaps red or black... If you think Neil Kilkenny is a poor player who didn't deserve improved terms and is an whinging ******* or whatever, then on this issue you must be on the side of Ken Bates otherwise you're a hypocrite. You don't have to agree with anything else Bates says or does but, if you share his opinion of Neil Kilkenny, how on earth can you take Kilkenny's side against him? It's demented! I don't set out to wind anybody up but I suppose you're going to get wound up if it's pointed out to you what nonsense you spout.
Because Kilkenny dislikes him for more reasons than the mere fact than that he was offered low wages. Kilkenny mentioned Bates' abrasive and needlessly offensive tone in his programme notes, as well as the club's failed transfer/contract negotiations policy: So in summary, you're talking **** because Kilkenny's anti-Bates stance isn't solely based on the contract snub; it's also based on the same concerns that 100% of rational Leeds fans have. So unless you're demented or something, please read people's interviews before you assume what their points of view are in the future.
Well if it is, I don't think he's getting much further with it after I tore his argument into little shreds!
We're going round in circles again just like with Grayson. How can you be disrespectful towards Neil Kilkenny and then criticise Bates for doing the same? Most of the players Kilkenny is referring to have been run down by the fans anyway. You can't have it all ways. Either the club is getting rid of players who aren't good enough or they're letting quality go and attempting to run them down. It seems a lot of fans buy into Grayson and the bullshit we get regarding transfers, yet turn around and criticise Bates because it's the thing to do.
Hypocrite, you do nowt but slag Bates off, yet if he sacked SG you'd be happy and therefore agree with him
Because I'm a fan and he's a chairman. We're not expected to conduct ourselves in the same way, and the way Bates talked about Bristol City in his programme notes was stupid, could lead to prejudice against leads from the BC board in potential transfer dealings in the future, and most of all, just plain rude and disrespectful for someone who's supposed to be a veteran of the footballing world. A fan can mouth off however they want; they aren't an appointed figure at the top of the club with guaranteed media coverage of their every word! Not all of them. No. Some of the players they let go are the right decision, others aren't. Again, shades of grey exist here. Your immature mind clearly can't grasp this basic concept of human life. The fact that the club has let players of quality go and has utterly failed to replace them and has utterly betrayed us by failing to reinvest the money in anything meaningful to us as fans just shows that Kilkenny's words about our transfer policy ring true to some extent.
oneleedsonefaith, how can you be that stupid, ridiculous and pathetic? Duck, I've not seen anyone say that they agree with Ken Bates' opinions of Kilkenny but he should conduct himself in a more professional manner. Some people are siding with Kilkenny despite holding the same views about him as Bates. It could also be said that, as a moderator, you should conduct yourself in a more professional manner than you do on here. So by criticising Bates for a lack of professionalism you're also being hypocritical. Everyone has different opinions on different players, but Beckford was critiscised and run down by many fans, as was Schmeichel, Kilkenny and Johnson. If you're of the opinion that Neil Kilkenny was a poor player who didn't deserve a new contract, then you cannot be critical of the club for failing to agree one with him. The lack of investment in other players is a separate issue.
That's the way I feel, and I can only speak for myself. It's not just about Bates behaving reasonably in his public outbursts though; as I've said, the transfer policy analysis from Kilkenny isn't far off the truth either. I'm not a professional moderator, so that's a bizarre comparison to make. If you think I'm being a ****, report me to the chief mod. His username is cyprussydsafc, if you wish to pursue that course of action and of course back up your claim with URL evidence of my posts on here hindering my ability to moderate effectively. Gradel and Delph clearly shouldn't have gone. I'm not disagreeing with the club for failing to agree a contract with Kilkenny. I'm just pointing out that you've failed to acknowledge that fans could think better of Kilkenny for coming out publicly and saying what a dick-helmet Bates is. You've made out that people are being hypocritical when, in fact, they're judging Kilkenny differently on two separate issues. The lack of investment in other players was mentioned by Kilkenny in his interview so is relevant in this instance. Does it gratify you to make me type out these schoolteacher-like explanations or something? I seriously doubt an adult of adequate mental function couldn't understand the basic points I've made which you continue to aimlessly rebuff.
