Kelvin Mackenzie shows his true colours again.

The FACT you don't know if the person in question was black shows you lack knowledge. The off spring in question looks like it could be possible his ancestor was a minority.

 

I was expecting that.
I put my points earlier in the discussion.

 

Yes. Still

I'll see you at the Motown Revue then?

 

Yes. Still giving everyone the benefit of his thoughts.

 

You're absolutely right; I don't know for sure that Barkley's grandfather was black, but it's highly probable, based on statistics. The fact that Ross Barkley seems to have predominantly white features is almost irrelevant. This is one of my daughter's best friends. Never mind having a black grandfather - her dad is black.

 

Without wishing to appear prejudicial, I don't think I would enjoy it...

 

Aren't pretty much all forms of current popular music of black origin? Apart from folk and classical, they're all derived from Blues.

 

Indeed they are. That doesn't mean Motown bears any real resemblance to, say, Slipknot.

And anyway, I'm partial to a bit of blues, and have a fair bit of music by the early bluesmen like Leadbelly and Robert Johnson. It's the soul and Motown stuff I don't really like. And the current hip hop and r'n'b ****e, of course.

 

Not in sound, image or packaging, but without ever analysing the music of Slipknot, structurally I'd assume similarities.

 

It generally involves verse and chorus structures, certain time signatures, various instruments and vocals. In my opinion, that's about as far as the similarities go.

 

The very earliest blues riffs come from West African folk tunes - Corey Harris is 'yer man on this subject; saw him in a documentary where he discovered 'umpteen ancient blues players deep in the South, despite these old boys never moving more than 20 miles from where they were born in Mississippi they were playing almost identical riffs to todays West African, Mali tribesmen - ergo, this music had travelled across with the slaves hundreds of years earlier. I can't find the documentary on Youtube but there are plenty of clips from Harris' CD of the same name - Mississippi To Mali, it won't be to everyones taste .... but I like it.

 

Where did I say an article, without any racist comment, may be racist?

Yes, I've see the headline and pictures.

Perhaps the dificulty I have in making similar links to those of you and others (the link to a black grandfather) is that I don't associate Gorillas, their glare or any perception of stupidy with black people.

 

Here's what you wrote.

 

Where have I made any such link?

 

Go on you tube, listen to some Otis Redding, Sam and Dave, Solomon Burke and the Temptations, especially with David Ruffin on vocals (though most of their best stuff is blocked on youtube nowadays).

Agree with you about hip hop and r'n'b (the modern r'n'b not the proper, older r'n'b).

 

You can debate this all day long. There is always some effort to link it to slavery and Africa. There weren't guitars and harmonicas in Africa. I watched a programme saying the early riffs came via folk music. And some of those riffs came from Scottish folk riffs, which Scottish settlers brought with them particularly some from the Hebrides or some other outlying district. Who knows? Great music and the foundation of so much music.

Here is one of my favourite Mississippi bluesmen. How many people have copied or adapted the riff on this song?

 

Yes there seems to be more and more blocked on You Tube.
Sometimes use Daily Motion to watch/listen to some stuff.

 

Good tune, that. And yeah, that riff's been all over the place, hasn't it?

 

The Stones were big fans of Jimmy Reed. There first ever recording for a demo was a Reed song, Bright Lights, Big City.
Their cover of another Reed song was a good try at blues by some young white guys. Jagger's phrasing and the backing are very much evidence of their appreciation of him

Jimmy Reed -

Rolling Stones-

 

So you do like what in your words is 'commonly termed as black music' then