Keep or Sell?

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I realise there's still quite a few weeks left of the season, but I am curious to know your views on the current squad composition and who you would be happy to keep/sell from the squad that we have.

For me, regardless of how the season ends, there are some names that simply cannot be at the club ahead of the 2026/27 season starting. I am excluding academy players from this obviously.

Let's go through them.

David Raya - KEEP
William Saliba - KEEP
Cristhian Mosquera - KEEP
Ben White - SELL
Piero Hincapié - KEEP
Gabriel Magalhães - KEEP
Bukayo Saka - KEEP
Martin Ødegaard - KEEP (Open to selling)
Gabriel Jesus - SELL
Eberechi Eze - KEEP
Gabriel Martinelli - SELL
Jurriën Timber - KEEP
Kepa Arrizabalaga - CATAPULT INTO THE SUN
Viktor Gyökeres - KEEP
Christian Nørgaard - KEEP (Open to selling)
Leandro Trossard - SELL
Noni Madueke - KEEP
Mikel Merino - KEEP
Kai Havertz - SELL
Riccardo Calafiori - KEEP
Tommy Setford - KEEP (either loan or promote to #2 GK)
Martín Zubimendi - KEEP
Declan Rice - KEEP
Myles Lewis-Skelly - KEEP
Ethan Nwaneri - KEEP
Jakub Kawior - SELL
Fabio Vieira - SELL
Karl Hein - SELL
Reiss Nelson - SELL
 
Pretty much agree with most of that, I would keep Havertz though because in recent games he has been played out of position in midfield and he is **** there. He is better in the withdrawn CF role because he is neither midfielder or CF he is a hybrid of the 2. He has looked his best in that role and, cast your memory back to when he came back from injury this season and he played alongside Gyokeres, the 2 were beginning to form a relationship which I think has the potential to be very potent.

Arteta keeps playing people out of position and wondering why they are terrible. Look at MLS yesterday, the guy is a fish out of water at left back, he is awful, he needs to be played in midfield.
 
Pretty much agree with most of that, I would keep Havertz though because in recent games he has been played out of position in midfield and he is **** there. He is better in the withdrawn CF role because he is neither midfielder or CF he is a hybrid of the 2. He has looked his best in that role and, cast your memory back to when he came back from injury this season and he played alongside Gyokeres, the 2 were beginning to form a relationship which I think has the potential to be very potent.

Arteta keeps playing people out of position and wondering why they are terrible. Look at MLS yesterday, the guy is a fish out of water at left back, he is awful, he needs to be played in midfield.

My issue with Havertz is his contract is approaching the final 2 years this Summer, which means we need to make a decision - are we going to sell or are we going to extend? He is on £275k a week. Is it worth renewing him on those wages (or higher)? Especially as we don't know if he'll ever get back to the level he once showed as a CF? I'm not sure it's worth the risk.

Regarding MLS, it's not surprise he's rusty when he hadn't featured for us since January. Can't be surprised when he puts in a stinker after not playing for literally months, then suddenly gets thrown in after being out of rhythm for so long.

I agree that I'd like to see him in midfield, but Arteta seems too averse to playing him there and I doubt he'll do it for the rest of the season. Hoping we can see it more next season (assuming we don't sell him).
 
We need a change of style, How we play suits Havertz at CF not Gyokeres, but i don't think he is reliable enough. I just wished we played to the strengths of the players we have rather than compromising half the team making them play a game they are not suited to. My single biggest bugbear with Arteta!
 
For me it's easier to say who we keep.

David Raya
William Saliba
Cristhian Mosquera
Piero Hincapié
Gabriel Magalhães
Bukayo Saka
Gabriel Martinelli
Jurriën Timber
Kai Havertz
Riccardo Calafiori
Declan Rice
Max Dowman

No one else has anything to offer - varying from OK, to utterly useless.

On our season in general, IMO, we have to beat City at the Ethiad to feel great about any league title.
If we win the league but lose to City at the Ethiad, it won't feel anywhere near as good.
We'll still be champions, and it still counts as much as any other title, but there will be a legitimate criticism that we backed into it because rivals were off it.

At this point, that City game needs to be a redemption of sorts.
Win that game and the players can hold their heads high.
In truth it's probably a game where we go into it knowing that IF we were to win we will end a 22 year PL title drought - what an opportunity.
 
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For me it's easier to say who we keep.

David Raya
William Saliba
Cristhian Mosquera
Piero Hincapié
Gabriel Magalhães
Bukayo Saka
Gabriel Martinelli
Jurriën Timber
Kai Havertz
Riccardo Calafiori
Declan Rice
Max Dowman

No one else has anything to offer - varying from OK, to utterly useless.

On our season in general, IMO, we have to beat City at the Ethiad to feel great about any league title.
If we win the league but lose to City at the Ethiad, it won't feel anywhere near as good.
We'll still be champions, and it still counts as much as any other title, but there will be a legitimate criticism that we backed into it because rivals were off it.

At this point, that City game needs to be a redemption of sorts.
Win that game and the players can hold their heads high.
In truth it's probably a game where we go into it knowing that IF we were to win we will end a 22 year PL title drought - what an opportunity.

I really don't get what you see in Martinelli. He's had 3 average seasons since the 2022/23 season and, although he's had moments of brilliance within that time, he's just not consistent (or good) enough to be a starter here. Too one-dimensional and won't be trialled up front. So what's the point?

He should be sold along with Trossard and Jesus. None of them are good enough anymore.
 
I really don't get what you see in Martinelli. He's had 3 average seasons since the 2022/23 season and, although he's had moments of brilliance within that time, he's just not consistent (or good) enough to be a starter here. Too one-dimensional and won't be trialled up front. So what's the point?

He should be sold along with Trossard and Jesus. None of them are good enough anymore.
He’s been good this season.
One of our better players last night too.
Beat his defender multiple times and we should have scored from at least one of those times.

At 24, he’s not even at his peak, yet is a threat at every level of football.
 
He’s been good this season.
One of our better players last night too.
Beat his defender multiple times and we should have scored from at least one of those times.

At 24, he’s not even at his peak, yet is a threat at every level of football.

Really? I thought he wasn't that good yesterday.

I don't know Jay, I just don't rate him or view him the way you do.

Any offer of £60m+, we should be selling and reinvesting IMO.
 
I really don't get what you see in Martinelli. He's had 3 average seasons since the 2022/23 season and, although he's had moments of brilliance within that time, he's just not consistent (or good) enough to be a starter here. Too one-dimensional and won't be trialled up front. So what's the point?

He should be sold along with Trossard and Jesus. None of them are good enough anymore.
Yeah Martinelli has been absolutely dire for 3 seasons, its clear he needs to go, offers nothing to a big club, I am not even sure if we had overlapping players it would make a difference to his game. He is so anonymous and wotless, Madueke too, if I see this clown run out of play with the ball again I am going to shoot someone!
 
He’s been good this season.
One of our better players last night too.
Beat his defender multiple times and we should have scored from at least one of those times.

At 24, he’s not even at his peak, yet is a threat at every level of football.
Jay come on man, he has been absolute **** for the past 3 seasons. I give him a bly for season 1, seasons 2 and 3 he has been terrible, the handful of good goals he scored doesnt erase the appalling performances.

Head down, can't beat a player, can't cross, shooting gone to pot.
 
Really? I thought he wasn't that good yesterday.

I don't know Jay, I just don't rate him or view him the way you do.

Any offer of £60m+, we should be selling and reinvesting IMO.
He was terrible yesterday, Jay has a soft spot for Martinelli.

Look how many times he has fluffed the big chance in a game this season.
 
Really? I thought he wasn't that good yesterday.

I don't know Jay, I just don't rate him or view him the way you do.

Any offer of £60m+, we should be selling and reinvesting IMO.

He’s worth more.
24 and already a world star. I think he will eventually be moved inside.
This year the guy has 11 goals and 5 assists (16 G+A) in 1,952 minutes of football - thats excellent for a wide player - and people are saying he's having a **** season??? It's a joke.
He's been a sqaud player this year in the main - playing less than half the minutes -and even less than that in the PL (where he's only played 846 minutes the whole season!).
To put that in perspective, Semenyo has 18 goals and 6 assists in 3,167 minutes - a rate LESS than Martinelli.

Semenyo- a goal or assist every 132 minutes of play
Martinelli - a goal or assist every 122 minutes of play

This Kvaratskhelia, lauded as a must buy and one of the best in the world, has 11 goals and 8 assists in 2.216 minutes of football this season - a goal or assist every 111 minutes - and he plays in a MUCH weaker league for the best team by miles.

Semenyo is lauded as a potential player of the season.
Kvaratskhelia is seen as a world class superstar.
Martinellii is castigated for being **** - despite scoring and assisting at a similar rate PLUS being MUCH better defensively than both the other two and having an almost perfect attitude to play for the team.

That is how ridiculous and extreme fan football opinions are. They are purely emotional and driven by narratives and trends on social media
Martinelli can play well, like he did against Southampton, yet be the first person blamed if we lose a game.
Players like Semenyo can do nothing for a few games on the spin, then score a goal and be lauded as one the best in the world that 'if only' we'd bought.

Martinelli beat his defender almost at will against Southampton, including beating his defender and putting a cross on an absolute plate for Odegaard, who fluffed his shot.
Once again he also did his defensive duties well.
His energy and work rate is second to none.

People are just too impressionable and just allow themselves to go along with trends.

It’s like other Internet tropes such as ‘Saka needs a rest’. As soon as he started getting rested more, his form dropped and he got injured more often. He never needed a rest because he wasn’t playing too much and resting him too often has hammered his form, but the trope started and once it does, it snowballs.

‘We need a striker to score 20’ was another internet trope. A totally insane opinion that doesn't take into account style of play or whether the team is scoring enough.

There have been many of these fan fiction tropes - on the verge of cliches - hammered on social media for ages and it's getting worse.
Reality doesn't seem to matter.
It goes the other way too - players can play absolute garbage and get away with the narrative they are having a great season.

Generally speaking, not always, the opposite is true of the opinions that gain traction - or at least greatly exaggerated in either direction.

To sell a 24 yr old approaching 100 goals and assists for Arsenal (which he will probably reach this year) would be an absolute folly and terrible decision by the club - especially for just £60m when we just spent £50m on Madueke!

You tell me what player we are replacing Martinelli with that will accept half the minutes over a season (and less than a 3rd in the PL) and still score/assist at the rate of players talked about as the best in the world, whilst staying fully committed and not showing even a shred of a bad attitude when it comes to working for the team no matter what. Oh, and whilst also being lightning quick and a major threat to the bigger teams on the break when we are under pressure, often scoring important goals. Good luck with that.

I would say, be very very careful what you wish for, and don't let an expectation that he has to start every game , score and assist 30+ times a season, and light up every game to be anything but **** and deserve a place in the squad cloud your judgement.

He may very well be the best squad player in the world at this time - with the potential still to be more. Again, he is just 24.
Familiarity and 'grass is greener' mindsets seem to have a negative effect on Arsenal fans.

I am even seeing absolutely insane and similar talk about Saka (not you) - instead of 'Saka is not at his best , but he's still doing ok' - the reality - it's 'Saka is finished' (at 24, lol) and is '****' and we should 'cash in'.

Football fans are clueless in the main. The same people trying to run Saka out of the club are making excuses for a 28 year old Gyokeres and insisting we need to build our entire team around him for years to come. It's pure insanity
 
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I like Martinelli - plus he's still only 25. Useful to have him for games that become a little more open.

Odegaard - as with Saka I think his poor form is injury related. He had a pretty extensive hamstring reconstruction. Not easy to get back 100% - A summer off would help him no end.

David Raya - KEEP
William Saliba - KEEP
Cristhian Mosquera - KEEP
Ben White - 50/50
Piero Hincapié - KEEP
Gabriel Magalhães - KEEP
Bukayo Saka - KEEP
Martin Ødegaard - KEEP
Gabriel Jesus - SELL Replace with Alvarez or a similar profile.
Eberechi Eze - KEEP
Gabriel Martinelli - SELL
Jurriën Timber - KEEP
Kepa Arrizabalaga - SELL
Viktor Gyökeres - KEEP
Christian Nørgaard - SELL - Replace with Wharton or Anderson. Both of these can also play as an 8 so gives us better rotation.
Leandro Trossard - SELL - Replace with Kvartschelia.
Noni Madueke - SELL - might be controversial but I think Nwaneri has a better end product & now Dowman is coming through
Mikel Merino - KEEP
Kai Havertz - KEEP - (Unless we can get a big fee for him.)
Riccardo Calafiori - KEEP
Tommy Setford - KEEP
Martín Zubimendi - KEEP
Declan Rice - KEEP
Myles Lewis-Skelly - KEEP
Ethan Nwaneri - KEEP
Jakub Kawior - 50/50 - I would be open to him taking Ben Whites spot in the squad.
Fabio Vieira - SELL
Karl Hein - SELL
Reiss Nelson - SELL


I don't think we need much overhaul - Would like a Top class LWer and a more athletic/physical alternative to Zubimendi.

--------------------------Raya-------------------------
Timber--------Saliba-------------Gabriel------Calafiori
-----------------------Wharton/Zubi--------------------
------------Odegaard-----------------Rice--------------
--Saka--------------Alvarez/Gyok--------Kvartschelia--

Bench: Alvarez/Gyok, Merino, Mosquera,Wharton/Zubi, Martinelli, Havertz, Eze new GK.
 
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Ben White - 50/50
Martin Ødegaard - KEEP
Christian Nørgaard - SELL - Replace with Wharton or Anderson. Both of these can also play as an 8 so gives us better rotation.
Leandro Trossard - SELL - Replace with Kvartschelia.
Noni Madueke - SELL - might be controversial but I think Nwaneri has a better end product & now Dowman is coming through
Kai Havertz - KEEP - (Unless we can get a big fee for him.)
Jakub Kawior - 50/50 - I would be open to him taking Ben Whites spot in the squad.
Wanted to pick up on these.

Ben White - surprised you're 50/50. His hamstrings are cooked now IMO and I just don't think we can rely on him to stay fit for a whole season. It makes sense to go. There's been a lot of heavy speculation linking him to Everton. I think that would be a good move for him.

Odegaard - I don't mind keeping him for one more year, but honestly, he needs to do a lot more to convince me that he's part of our future. He was abysmal last season and this season, it's been too stop-start for me to judge him too much. But I haven't been particularly enamoured with his displays even when he has started. As he's club captain and clearly one of Arteta's favourites, I don't envisage him going, but I really think his departure shouldn't be completely off the table.

Norgaard - again, I'm not against selling him, but realistically, who can we bring in that would be content fulfilling a role like he has? Wharton or Anderson wouldn't accept being a bit-part player, so I don't see that happening unless we overhaul the midfield again.

Trossard - agree with selling Trossard, but there's not a cat's chance in hell that we get Kvaratskhelia. He's one of the best players in the world, absolutely no chance PSG sell him. I guarantee he ends up signing a new contract there - just watch.

Madueke - I don't think we should have even signed him, but as Ethan is clearly a player we could potentially sell this Summer, I don't see Noni going anywhere.

Havertz - what do you define as a 'big fee'? We won't be able to get more than £50m for him at best IMO due to his contract situation and his injury problems.

Kiwior - he's not coming back. The loan to Porto is a loan with an obligation to buy. He's effectively gone.
 
Norgaard and Kepa? Cost almost nothing and both seemingly happy sitting on a bench. Who cares who the 2nd choice keeper is?! Replacing either would cost just as much as we’d make selling them.
 
Norgaard and Kepa? Cost almost nothing and both seemingly happy sitting on a bench. Who cares who the 2nd choice keeper is?! Replacing either would cost just as much as we’d make selling them.
So what? I don't care how cheap Kepa was, he is absolutely terrible. No point keeping a player just because he's cheap if is error prone and adds no value to the team.

He cost us the League Cup final, almost cost us the first leg at Stamford Bridge in the same competition and hasn't actually been useful in any of the games played. What game has he played where you've actually thought 'yeah those saves from Kepa were crucial in keeping us in the game'?

I'd rather give Setford a chance than play Kepa.

Get rid of him.
 
Wanted to pick up on these.

Ben White - surprised you're 50/50. His hamstrings are cooked now IMO and I just don't think we can rely on him to stay fit for a whole season. It makes sense to go. There's been a lot of heavy speculation linking him to Everton. I think that would be a good move for him.

Odegaard - I don't mind keeping him for one more year, but honestly, he needs to do a lot more to convince me that he's part of our future. He was abysmal last season and this season, it's been too stop-start for me to judge him too much. But I haven't been particularly enamoured with his displays even when he has started. As he's club captain and clearly one of Arteta's favourites, I don't envisage him going, but I really think his departure shouldn't be completely off the table.

Norgaard - again, I'm not against selling him, but realistically, who can we bring in that would be content fulfilling a role like he has? Wharton or Anderson wouldn't accept being a bit-part player, so I don't see that happening unless we overhaul the midfield again.

Trossard - agree with selling Trossard, but there's not a cat's chance in hell that we get Kvaratskhelia. He's one of the best players in the world, absolutely no chance PSG sell him. I guarantee he ends up signing a new contract there - just watch.

Madueke - I don't think we should have even signed him, but as Ethan is clearly a player we could potentially sell this Summer, I don't see Noni going anywhere.

Havertz - what do you define as a 'big fee'? We won't be able to get more than £50m for him at best IMO due to his contract situation and his injury problems.

Kiwior - he's not coming back. The loan to Porto is a loan with an obligation to buy. He's effectively gone.
Ben White - I don't think his hamstrings are 'cooked'. Guy has top class ability - better than Timber getting forward, aggressive, I really like him as a player. Been poor recently but he came straight from an Injury to playing four games on the bounce. We need to manage players coming back better.

Odegaard - People seem to be forgetting 22/23 we are all calling Odegaard our best player - asking if he had hit De Bruynes level.
I get a little frustrated at him dropping deep so often but quality wise he's TOP level. Fitness wise I can see he's been struggling for two years now. Even so for me he's 100% keep particularly now we have Eze and can rotate based on form/fitness.

Norgaard - he's been fine. I think both Wharton & Anderson would jump at the chance to come Arsenal. If they are goo enough they start - you have to fight for your place a big club. I would like a more physical profile as an alternative to Zubi.

Trossard - I'm not saying Kvartschelia would be an easy purchase.(it wouldn't) But for me he's the perfect profile for our left hand side.

Havertz - People were saying we paid too much for him but I don't think we're buying an upgrade for less than the 65m we paid for him. Not with current transfer fees. Worth keeping unless Saudi chuck crazy money at us.

Kiwior - Fair point , I just wish we had kept him. He was class and only getting better,
 
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Ben White - I don't think his hamstrings are 'cooked'. Guy has top class ability - better than Timber getting forward, aggressive, I really like him as a player. Been poor recently but he came straight from an Injury to playing four games on the bounce. We need to manage players coming back better.

Odegaard - People seem to be forgetting 22/23 we are all calling Odegaard our best player - asking if he had hit De Bruynes level.
I get a little frustrated at him dropping deep so often but quality wise he's TOP level. Fitness wise I can see he's been struggling for two years now. Even so for me he's 100% keep particularly now we have Eze and can rotate based on form/fitness.

Norgaard - he's been fine. I think both Wharton & Anderson would jump at the chance to come Arsenal. If they are goo enough they start - you have to fight for your place a big club. I would like a more physical profile as an alternative to Zubi.

Trossard - I'm not saying Kvartschelia would be an easy purchase.(it wouldn't) But for me he's the perfect profile for our left hand side.

Havertz - People were saying we paid too much for him but I don't think we're buying an upgrade for less than the 65m we paid for him. Not with current transfer fees. Worth keeping unless Saudi chuck crazy money at us.

Kiwior - Fair point , I just wish we had kept him. He was class and only getting better,
Ben White, he has been awful in recent weeks, I would prefer Mosquera to cover Timber, that said Mosquera has been guilty of some high profile mistakes (but so too has White).

Odegaard, I don't think his problem is his own, I think its down to the way we play. As you say, in 2022/23 be was outstanding, I wouldn't have swapped him for any other player. So its not an ability problem for me, its a system problem.

Norgaard I actually like and would prefer he got more chances in the team. Solid midfielder and actually tries to get the ball forward quickly.

Trossard I think has run his race now, time to go.

Havertz I am a fan of but only when played in the right position. In midfield hell no. As lone CF hell no. As a hybrid of the 2 yes, he can link up with Gyokeres and cause total havoc for defences.

Kiwior can't take Ben White's place (assuming you meant on the right), he can just about fill in at LB, I think he would be toast at RB, he was starting to look good in the LCB position. Problem is Hincapie and Mosquera have far more pace than Kiwior so I can't see him getting in front of either.
 
Ben White - I don't think his hamstrings are 'cooked'. Guy has top class ability - better than Timber getting forward, aggressive, I really like him as a player. Been poor recently but he came straight from an Injury to playing four games on the bounce. We need to manage players coming back better.

Odegaard - People seem to be forgetting 22/23 we are all calling Odegaard our best player - asking if he had hit De Bruynes level.
I get a little frustrated at him dropping deep so often but quality wise he's TOP level. Fitness wise I can see he's been struggling for two years now. Even so for me he's 100% keep particularly now we have Eze and can rotate based on form/fitness.

Norgaard - he's been fine. I think both Wharton & Anderson would jump at the chance to come Arsenal. If they are goo enough they start - you have to fight for your place a big club. I would like a more physical profile as an alternative to Zubi.

Trossard - I'm not saying Kvartschelia would be an easy purchase.(it wouldn't) But for me he's the perfect profile for our left hand side.

Havertz - People were saying we paid too much for him but I don't think we're buying an upgrade for less than the 65m we paid for him. Not with current transfer fees. Worth keeping unless Saudi chuck crazy money at us.

Kiwior - Fair point , I just wish we had kept him. He was class and only getting better,

Havertz, after Saka, is probably our most important attacking player IMO - if he can stay fit.
Coming back from a year injury, he's already getting into his stride again. 7 G+A, averaging 1 every 90 minutes (if Gyokeres could manage that rate he'd have 30 G+A this season by now)
Havertz makes us a lot better going forward and we've missed him a lot. We'd already be champions if he had been fit all season.
He's a unique player.
 
Ben White - I don't think his hamstrings are 'cooked'. Guy has top class ability - better than Timber getting forward, aggressive, I really like him as a player. Been poor recently but he came straight from an Injury to playing four games on the bounce. We need to manage players coming back better.

Odegaard - People seem to be forgetting 22/23 we are all calling Odegaard our best player - asking if he had hit De Bruynes level.
I get a little frustrated at him dropping deep so often but quality wise he's TOP level. Fitness wise I can see he's been struggling for two years now. Even so for me he's 100% keep particularly now we have Eze and can rotate based on form/fitness.

Norgaard - he's been fine. I think both Wharton & Anderson would jump at the chance to come Arsenal. If they are goo enough they start - you have to fight for your place a big club. I would like a more physical profile as an alternative to Zubi.

Trossard - I'm not saying Kvartschelia would be an easy purchase.(it wouldn't) But for me he's the perfect profile for our left hand side.

Havertz - People were saying we paid too much for him but I don't think we're buying an upgrade for less than the 65m we paid for him. Not with current transfer fees. Worth keeping unless Saudi chuck crazy money at us.

Kiwior - Fair point , I just wish we had kept him. He was class and only getting better,

With White, I think, when you factor in his age, availability in the last 2 years, and wages, the club will look to move him on if they get an offer of £20m+ and replace him with a younger, more reliable profile. White's been a fantastic servant to the club, and I hope he can end his time at Arsenal with a league title, but it's time for him to be moved on IMO.

Odegaard - give him one more season after this to show he should be a part of our future. If he can get back to his 2022-2024 form (where he was excellent), then keep. If he has another season like the last 2, there's no more room for sentiment - we may need to sell in 2027.

Norgaard - I'm not saying no to selling him, but like I said, you do need players like this in your squad and he's happy to be 5th choice. Regarding Wharton/Anderson, Anderson has stronger interest from both Manchester clubs who will fight tooth and nail to get him. It remains to be seen whether we would. Wharton is a maybe, but I've not seen any concrete links to him.

Replacing Trossard with Kvaratskhelia would be a dream, but I just can't see this move transpiring. And look, whilst we are clearly not a 'broke' club, the wages and financials PSG can offer far exceed what we can. It'd take monumental money to convince him and we wouldn't blow the bank on him - especially as this Summer appears to be one where we focus more on selling than buying to comply with SCR rules.

Havertz - I'd be amazed if we even broke even on the money spent on him. Unless someone from Saudi or maybe the US really want him, I don't see a top European club offering that sort of money for Kai.