You're possibly right about the contractual situation on attending games. Nick tried to get the funding he wanted in January, it didn't work, I think he felt he no option but to try and force their hand a bit this time.
a lack of impatience, eh? smacks less of a lack of respect for allams as more irritation that funds promised and announced to the press by the allams before nb took the manager job vapourised.
i wish you lot would **** off accusing nb of "lying". if he was doing as he was told. blame the allams for that.
He was covering the owners backs, he probably regrets that now, though if he hadn't, he might well have been sacked in January.
What do you expect him to say? Them Egyptian ****s won't let me sign the players I want. He didn't get the funding he wanted, on the basis that the Allam's thought the wages or the fees were too high, this was all behind closed doors and Nick got frustrated with it. So, to avoid this happening again during the summer, he thought he'd exert a little pressure to try and get some funds released. It didn't work, it got him sacked instead. It's really not that complicated.
AP owns FC, the Allams are pretty much FC's landlords, that will be interesting. Its all cost-cutting, just the Allams don't know what they've done. I don't think they know that they are getting abused and when they find out its gonna hit them hard.
Just heard the 'guarantees' comment on RH that the Allams have put on our debt. So the guarantees are held against the debt that we still have....is that right? So the Allams haven't cleared the debt at all but just guaranteed that it would be paid off eventually? I take it the guarantee can be withdrawn at any time?
OLM has sources within the club, everyone else accepts that. He knows what goes on behind closed doors and he is not speculating ffs. They said money would be available, then when Nick asked for it in January he wasn't allowed it (no, not just the more expensive players, he wasn't allowed anyone of any real value, to the point that he didn't even see the point in signing any of the super-cheap youth players that the Allams would have allowed), he was forced to lie for them to cover it up and made a couple of very, very mild interviews which for some reason pissed the Allams off enough to get him sacked. It's an absolutely farcical chain of events which is simply undefendable. Just because they saved us 2 years ago doesn't mean they have the right to **** about with our club taking this kind of course of action. And no I am not speculating! I completely agree with Tickler, the owners have let us all down massively with this. This would suck balls if Barmby had been poached by a bigger club but the fact we've just thrown him and Pearson away along with half our team is just a complete joke.
I'm up OLM's arse yes. That or I've just heard enough of his inside information to know he has very reliable sources. For example at the awards last night Rosenior had a paddy on his way into the ground and there were only me and 3 or 4 others around, I'm thinking I've got this exclusive quote I can share on here and when I get home OLM has already posted it. One of the 3 or 4 other people are obviously one of his sources. I don't know the guy so I can't really have much of an opinion but all I do know is that he gets good information about City and that's all that matters for this conversation. I don't understand why just because they've said again today that money was available, that suddenly makes them really trustworthy. Why do we suddenly have to believe everything they are saying? Do all the (non-)statements and suspicious silences not make you think something might be up. Based on track record I trust what OLM has told us more than I trust the Allams now. Well Barmby has said recently he was never after the big money signings such as Sharp but he had his targets which were more affordable, I know of a few different players we could have signed but the owners pulled the plug at the last minute, and Burnsy mentioned another one last night but still couldn't give the name. He described the player as better than Fraizer Campbell though. It's not as if Barmby would have been trying to sign Messi or something, he and Adam would only bother negotiating for a player they thought they had a reasonable chance of signing. Barmby was also asked by Burnsy in what seems to have been the offending interview and when asked whether there were funds in January he stalled and tried to avoid it but basically revealed as if we didn't already know, that he hadn't been given any money. The owners were in national papers talking about 'millions' to be made available in January. Signing youth players on loan who nobody else wants aren't particularly valuable. I can't believe I'm answering this one. He's just recently broken the silence and he got sacked for it! That's how he was forced, with the threat of losing his job. He wasy lying for them for ages to cover their **** up and make them look good and when he finally got fed up of it they sacked him. He may well be a grown man but he was still an employee and easily sackable as we are now seeing. That's speculation. So you think rich businessmen can do what they want with our club and there's no problem with that? What the **** has me not buying my own pass got to do with it? If there was something to be ashamed of there I wouldn't have posted it and you wouldn't know. The half that are as outraged by this as the fans are. Probably the good half. I guess it comes down to trust. I am choosing to believe the words of OLM, a trusted poster by many and Barmby a well-respected professional and local hero, over the words of our owners whose actions are hardly making them seem very trustworthy. For some reason, you've decided you want to believe what they say instead. I'd suggest you're the one who needs to explain your stance.
Actually, don't bother, it's getting daft. If you haven't yet figured out where my info has come from, then you probably never will. Lets leave it there and you can find out what's happened in due course.
You are busy asking people where they get their facts from well I want to ask you how do you know it is a FACT that there was money in January. Please don't just say it is because the Allam's said so.
Oh for heavens sake, call it lying if you like but it is plain to everyone else that he was covering up for the owners, doing what they wanted him to do, saying what they wanted him to say, if he had come out then and said they won't give me any money he would have been out of the door.
AP seemed shocked and suprised by his dismissal and yet there appear to have been discussions over a new manager to which he can't have been party to, unless he knew NB was going to be suspended. Does that mean there is a new fixer somewhere on the payroll?
You're still going on what you appear to believe is a fact that the money was available. I believe that the money was most definitely not made available and I have a pretty good reason to believe that. The Allam's stance has not changed because they are still claiming that all this money is available when it isn't, if consistently liying is better to you than coming clean then fine, but it isn't for me. Barmby, whilst pretending not to want new players to cover for his boss, is hardly going to say "McLean and Simpson are ****, I wish I had better strikers." Is he? Firstly that isn't good man-management and secondly it would obviously expose the lies he was trying to cover up that there was money available. As I've said a few times on here since last night, Rosenior said in the presence of myself and a few others that it was "An absolute ****ing joke if true." That shows not only his outrage but the fact that the players weren't even informed and had to find out through the media like the rest of us. That isn't speculation or gossip it's fact. I was there. Koren said in a public interview the other day that he wanted to be here as long as the club matched his ambition, now that they obviously don't he will want to be gone. Chester will have PL clubs after him and he owes us nothing. We will all read the interview tomorrow but we won't learn anything, we'll just get a load of non-statement bollocks. All Allam will say is how little he is prepared to say. That's all he ever says! Tickler is an ever-optimist and even he can't find a way to put a positive spin on this, I think that says a lot about the sheer ****edupness of the situation.
OK not trying to start any more arguments or **** comments but, I read theses comments & wonder why Barmby took the job in the first place if he was covering for the Allams? Surely he would have figured that something along the line wouldn't add up & the outcome would be the same if he'd come out in January or at the end of the season.
