sb - you're absolutely correct. Step overs. broom up arse et al. He scored a couple of brilliant goals which I can't find. Can anyone post 'em? Or are they a figment of my (bit drunk) imagination? Roller - Clint Hill was exactly who I was thinking of. He got a chance (eventually and with initial managerial reluctance it seemed) and took it. I never understand why Prem managers don't look more at the championship for centre backs. Liverpool, for example, bought a crap Greek bloke - I forget his name - Koriakis? when the likes of Ashley Williams was far more suited to the PL and would've cost less, I suspect than the 8 odd millions they spent. Is Hill better than Gorkks - yeah have to concede to the points you make.