Juventus want Ramirez

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Yeah he was good against a poor Arsenal who never pressured him. If opposing players actually try to tackle him, he normally loses the ball. He just doesn't look on the same wavelength as the rest of the team. I know people say he's seeing things that the other players aren't, but if you're a good enough player you adapt to your teammates, not the other way around.

He's clearly got talent but he has disappointed me a bit if I'm honest.
 
I have to agree that he does lose the ball a bit too much when pressurised. Talent is one thing but being able to produce it whilst under pressure is another. Mind you, he is young and probably hasn't had much exposure to the kind of pressure play that exists in The Premier League.
 
I think Ramirez has still got to get used to life in England and for foreign players it always takes them awhile, they've got to get used to a foreign country, learn new cultures and customs, a new language as well and most importantly, the pace and tempo of football in the Premier League is at such a high level, especially compared to Serie A.

Ramirez has had a decent season so far, not amazing, but not bad either, let's not forget he has had some injuries this season which hasn't helped. He will come good next season, I'm sure. He needs to bulk up a little bit and quicken his game.

To consider selling him would be a mistake of gigantic proportions. He is easily our most talented player at the football club. Great player and still pretty young. He'll play really well next season.
 
Mr. Mister said:
I think Ramirez has still got to get used to life in England and for foreign players it always takes them awhile, they've got to get used to a foreign country, learn new cultures and customs, a new language as well and most importantly, the pace and tempo of football in the Premier League is at such a high level, especially compared to Serie A.

Ramirez has had a decent season so far, not amazing, but not bad either, let's not forget he has had some injuries this season which hasn't helped. He will come good next season, I'm sure. He needs to bulk up a little bit and quicken his game.

To consider selling him would be a mistake of gigantic proportions. He is easily our most talented player at the football club. Great player and still pretty young. He'll play really well next season.
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tomw19 said:
Maybe that doesn't mean Ramirez is a mediocre player. On paper he's our best player but has been off colour.
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On paper he is not our best player. What a load of dogshite. Lambert is our best player on paper. Without Lambert we'd be no where. You live with your head in the ****ing clouds. Schneiderlin, Puncheon, Cork, Clyne, Lallana, Rodriguez, Shaw, Fonte, Yoshida have all contributed more this season than Ramirez as far as I'm concerned. I don't give a **** what he cost us. We spent too much for him. He's had barely any end product for any team he's played for in his career. He's not off colour, this is genuinely what he brings to the table wherever he plays. Mediocre means neither good nor bad by definition. I'm not saying he's ****. He's alright and not worth 12 million. He might become good in the future, we'll see. Right now he's mediocre. Rodriguez was a better buy I reckon. Like I care that Ramirez cost 12 million. I judge a player on what he does on the pitch. Liverpool spent 30 million on Carroll when he was a similar age to Ramirez. Carroll isn't even worth 5 million.
 
pass the football said:
Yeah he was good against a poor Arsenal who never pressured him. If opposing players actually try to tackle him, he normally loses the ball. He just doesn't look on the same wavelength as the rest of the team. I know people say he's seeing things that the other players aren't, but if you're a good enough player you adapt to your teammates, not the other way around.

He's clearly got talent but he has disappointed me a bit if I'm honest.
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He dribbles all the time when he's quite frankly not very good at it and hasn't got pace either. He looses the ball way more than any other player we've got. The most frustrating part is when he does this 45 yards from goal with an easy pass on
 
Mr. Mister said:
I think Ramirez has still got to get used to life in England and for foreign players it always takes them awhile, they've got to get used to a foreign country, learn new cultures and customs, a new language as well and most importantly, the pace and tempo of football in the Premier League is at such a high level, especially compared to Serie A.

Ramirez has had a decent season so far, not amazing, but not bad either, let's not forget he has had some injuries this season which hasn't helped. He will come good next season, I'm sure. He needs to bulk up a little bit and quicken his game.

To consider selling him would be a mistake of gigantic proportions. He is easily our most talented player at the football club. Great player and still pretty young. He'll play really well next season.
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Oh and don't bother with those other accounts either because there just about to disappear.
 
I will have to join the group being called idiots. I don't buy the 'he sees things others don't' line. Like above, it's a team game and the team need to be on the same wavelength, not coach the rest to tie in with 1 player.

My evaluation so far is that yes he has talent, yes he shows he is a sublime technician however he loses the ball too much yet many here are trying to pass the blame onto 'lesser players' not reading where his pass is going. He needs to get with it and pass to people or where they will be. He seems to just see a gap to pass into and hopes that someone might be able to run at 100mph to get there.

Not up to speed because of injuries or fitness? It's possible but why say 'he will work out in a few years'. This is the PL. We can't carry expensive passengers on the belief they will come good in the long term. They need to be up and running quicker than that or we may as well put in one of the academy and then say 'he will come good in a year or 2'.

Take the money, buy someone else and see if they work :)

And I agree with the above poster. He is definitely not the best player in the team 'on paper'. He is the best player from media hype alone and nothing more than that. Virtually everyone else in the first 11 are ahead of him in terms of 'on paper' including some of the 'supporting' players.

Would love him to come good but I just don't see it. He was struggling with the pace under Adkins and Pottechino has them pressing much more than Adkins. Hope he proves me wrong but won't be that bothered if we get our money back.

Personally I would sell him if we break even on what we paid. Put Rickie in that role.
 
I like how there hasn't been a match for a few weeks so no player to slag off, so a few Saints fans have to get their criticizing out for the week.
 
ImpsSaint said:
I will have to join the group being called idiots. I don't buy the 'he sees things others don't' line. Like above, it's a team game and the team need to be on the same wavelength, not coach the rest to tie in with 1 player.

My evaluation so far is that yes he has talent, yes he shows he is a sublime technician however he loses the ball too much yet many here are trying to pass the blame onto 'lesser players' not reading where his pass is going. He needs to get with it and pass to people or where they will be. He seems to just see a gap to pass into and hopes that someone might be able to run at 100mph to get there.

Not up to speed because of injuries or fitness? It's possible but why say 'he will work out in a few years'. This is the PL. We can't carry expensive passengers on the belief they will come good in the long term. They need to be up and running quicker than that or we may as well put in one of the academy and then say 'he will come good in a year or 2'.

Take the money, buy someone else and see if they work :)

And I agree with the above poster. He is definitely not the best player in the team 'on paper'. He is the best player from media hype alone and nothing more than that. Virtually everyone else in the first 11 are ahead of him in terms of 'on paper' including some of the 'supporting' players.

Would love him to come good but I just don't see it. He was struggling with the pace under Adkins and Pottechino has them pressing much more than Adkins. Hope he proves me wrong but won't be that bothered if we get our money back.

Personally I would sell him if we break even on what we paid. Put Rickie in that role.
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Glad you're not the manager then.
 
Last bit on Ramirez do you guys know he has only played just over 14 games in all. No way can you judge a guy who has only played 14 games, which have been spread out due to injury and the fact this is his first season in the Prem.
 
I'd be lying if I said I wasn't a bit disappointed with Ramirez so far, but that may be due to all the hype. I also recognise that has been recovering from a very nasty injury and settling into a different country. He definitely has the talent and I still have hope that MP can get the best out of him. We should give him time and trust the manager who will see him in training. If he does struggle, why does everyone think we will get massive money for him.
 
RickieRickie said:
On paper he is not our best player. What a load of dogshite. Lambert is our best player on paper. Without Lambert we'd be no where. You live with your head in the ****ing clouds. Schneiderlin, Puncheon, Cork, Clyne, Lallana, Rodriguez, Shaw, Fonte, Yoshida have all contributed more this season than Ramirez as far as I'm concerned. I don't give a **** what he cost us. We spent too much for him. He's had barely any end product for any team he's played for in his career. He's not off colour, this is genuinely what he brings to the table wherever he plays. Mediocre means neither good nor bad by definition. I'm not saying he's ****. He's alright and not worth 12 million. He might become good in the future, we'll see. Right now he's mediocre. Rodriguez was a better buy I reckon. Like I care that Ramirez cost 12 million. I judge a player on what he does on the pitch. Liverpool spent 30 million on Carroll when he was a similar age to Ramirez. Carroll isn't even worth 5 million.
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Agree with you, even if not the way you say it!

Isn't the acid test which names you'd always put on the teamsheet? So let's see, Lambert is first for me. Schneiderlin, Cork and Shaw follow pretty quickly. A couple of goals and Rodriguez will become a shoo in. Puncheon, Lallana, Yoshida and Clyne have been consistently good this year. The other centre back slot is up for grabs. Fonte has been excellent after a shaky start, Hoover has surprised us all and there is still an expensive young Norwegian to accomodate so can't see Gaston getting in there. So at the moment I've got Ramirez in goal I think!

Where I disagree with the "sell him" brigade is that the lad is clearly talented. Remember his first game against Villa? He turned up at Goodison when Everton were playing some very good stuff. Since then injuries have plagued him and we haven't seen the best of him. He's good, and he has some good players to compete with. The price tag is crazy, of course. If we could get Rickie a forged birth certificate making him 24 he'd be worth zillions, but that's the way of it. I do not want to see talented players leave the club unless it is part of a bigger plan. I have been depressed too often by our inability to hold on to talent.
 
Beef_Dripping said:
I like how there hasn't been a match for a few weeks so no player to slag off, so a few Saints fans have to get their criticizing out for the week.
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Come off it, no-one's slagging him off!

Incidentally he's played more minutes for us than De Ridder so perhaps it's too early to judge him as well?
 
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