When the opposition keeper lets one in right near the end after wasting time since very early on,Mr.pardew moaning about our time wasting with two to go was funny also.
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Shepherd's Clearing
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Asides from Saints, I also like Ice-hockey and the rule they have always had is a 2-minute minor for 'delaying the game'.
You can actually get called this if you go back over the blue line [halfway line] when you're in your opponents half and you aren't pressured or have no need to do so. The call can be entirely at the ref's discretion in other circumstances. If a players clears it over the plexi-glass from their own defensive zone that's delaying the game too.
A few years ago in the NHL they had lot of problems with a few teams successfully exploiting existing rules. alongside goalies coming so far out of their net to field the puck or 'freeze it' that, in what was traditionally a high-scoring game, a lot of scores starting being 1-0 or 0-0.
What did they do? Changed the rules so that the attacking teams were rewarded.
That's what annoys me about football - so traditionalist, so conservative, yet so much moaning about problems in the game.
You can actually get called this if you go back over the blue line [halfway line] when you're in your opponents half and you aren't pressured or have no need to do so. The call can be entirely at the ref's discretion in other circumstances. If a players clears it over the plexi-glass from their own defensive zone that's delaying the game too.
A few years ago in the NHL they had lot of problems with a few teams successfully exploiting existing rules. alongside goalies coming so far out of their net to field the puck or 'freeze it' that, in what was traditionally a high-scoring game, a lot of scores starting being 1-0 or 0-0.
What did they do? Changed the rules so that the attacking teams were rewarded.
That's what annoys me about football - so traditionalist, so conservative, yet so much moaning about problems in the game.
I do like the idea of sin bins. Say for example in football a player receives a yellow for dangerous play he would receive 15 mins in the sin bin, 10 mins for a yellow picked up for time wasting, diving or other fouls. The team as a whole would suffer there and then.
Nor me....you'd regularly end up with teams of 9 or 10 because of mistimed tackles if the same rules are applied as now. Imagine the rows about refs then...I suspect few yellow cards would be given as most refs would judge fouls as being insufficient to warrant a player being binned.
It works in rugby because you have teams of 15 players and yellow cards are rare compared to yellows in football.
And also the players are warned in advance, so that, say, the next time someone collapses a scrum or whatever, the yellow card will be shown. In rugby the offences are accumulated by the team rather than by individuals as in football.
Shepherd's Clearing
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Nah, I don't think the sin-bin will work in football, although it does work in futsal and five-a-side but maybe because these games are similar to ice-hockey in a way.
It's just that there is a specific rule in ice-hockey that deals with time-wasting and keeping the game flowing and it is enforced. There are similar rules in football and they are not enforced, including the catchall 'unsporting conduct'.
But hey-ho in my opinion football has never been that forward thinking or adventurous, look at video goal-line technology, it took an error in a game with Germany before anything really happened.
It's just that there is a specific rule in ice-hockey that deals with time-wasting and keeping the game flowing and it is enforced. There are similar rules in football and they are not enforced, including the catchall 'unsporting conduct'.
But hey-ho in my opinion football has never been that forward thinking or adventurous, look at video goal-line technology, it took an error in a game with Germany before anything really happened.
Was I imagining it or did someone post somewhere that there were no ball boys at The Hawthorns when we played them?
Vin
I loved how before the goal palace would walk very slowly to get the ball, speroni would screw about with his laces or where we wanted the ball to be put and then as soon as we score, they are running everywhere to get the ball. A personal favourite of mine was when clyne fouled someone, picked up the ball and took it to the halfway line before giving it back.
garysfc
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We should give timekeeping to the 4th "official"; you know the other official ref who sits on the sidelines & does a great job of ........ naff all. Let him actually do something worthwhile. Take a little bit of responsibility away from the 1st official & let him concentrate on the game, forget the time aspect, which would take a little pressure off him. In addition, the 4th could then actually impose the 8 / 13 sec rule for goalkeepers (whatever the frig it is) & add every sec over the allotted time. That way, it wouldn't make any difference whether a keeper took 20 secs or 2 mins to take a kick. The 1st official could then concentrate on the outfeld players & if they take the pi%% with wasting time, he could still produce a yellow.
Shepherd's Clearing
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This is a very good point. In Rugby League there is time keeper on the touchline who blows the klaxon and then the referee blows his whistle, but it is only full-time when the ref' blows his whistle. Mind you once the klaxon goes most games stop.
A good idea that is very easily implemented. Therefore expect to see it being trialed in the Reserve League in 2022.
garysfc
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There was a ball boy near to each corner flag, but none at all on either side, so when the ball went out of play, a player had to climb over the advertising hoardings to retrieve the ball themselves. This added about 30 seconds (at least) to every throw-in, but IIRC, the ref/4th official only added two minutes at the end of the first half. There should probably have been about 8 to 10 minutes added to each half, but maybe I'm biased.