Off Topic JULY 4th 2024 6 months JAN 2025 ..chaos+ more fibs +roughshod attitudes+backtracking +++ C R A S H++

We have respect for each other John, we have different views and bicker at times, but I respect your views, I don’t agree with you and at times we have robust debate, if either overstep at times we are able to deal with it between us.

 

You don’t seem to have taken the hint. I’m not going to be rude, just read Wiz’s initial reply to you, remembering he is the moderator. Plus I have answered, maybe not in a way you’d like, but I’ve stated my views, best we move on eh!

 

not answering the questions is not an answer. move on simply hold your hands up you dont know there it is.

 

Pathetic, you can't answer Clifton's question, don't try using Wiz to lean on me.
My take on Wiz..........and I've said it before on here, he does a difficult thankless job brilliantly.
You were losing an argument a few weeks back so your solution was to threaten to take a break which you knew would bring in Wiz.
Now losing another argument you try a different tactic, hiding, avoiding a fair question put by Clifton.

Ps Nobody on here has seen a reply to Clifton. We're still waiting.
Pps I'll move on when you stop hiding and answer the question.

 

I suggest you take a break and move on, you sound like you’re becoming obsessed with me. I don’t care what you think tbh. But I won’t be bullied by you or anyone. I’ve said my piece, either accept it or not, but stop pestering me.

 

You have been called out and found out previously on what you have been posting and been found out again here big time. you cant answer them questions because you cant and don't know how to and have the knowledge to and your response is turning and facing the wall while stamping your feet shouting shant is not sharing an opinion. thats the sketch.

 

dont plan on getting deeply involved with anyones arguments as I always try and be PURVEYOR OF FACTS, OFTEN MISCONTRUED AS "MY OPINION!"
However taking 1 point at a time

the problem here is understanding the bigger picture. There was a lot of doubt cast amongst a % of those wishing to cross and did as various media pick up on, sought asylum in other EUROPEAN COUNTRY's, and some were delaying to cross. So contary to [ ASHTON ] "gave them the benefit of the doubt initially." changed? his tune to say it wont work! but not based on any facts! just an entitled opinuion!

The highest court in the land gave its consent to sending to Rwanda. Wrongly presented comment,it would be dealing with those already here! the cost per person was actually less than keeping them here, based on cost for 2 years or more and the feed down effect [ a family would maybe be at a starting point of 2 but in a x years / generation become 10's of. And whilst we so called have them to do the basic pay jobs it means we are paying the lazy individuals whose gt gt grandparents likely fought in the WW1 / WW2 ,,, THEY RECIEVE BENEFITS WHILST THEY ENJOY NOT CONTRIBUTING.

PART OF THIS is correct!!! ............ ideas! ..... thats all they have NO PLANS and certainly no costings for those ideas when they eventually try to implement that idea into reality!

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My take on the illegal crossings is the history of Kamikaze and those he has put into place to sort it...... it is a bit like having a a fraudster/ embezzler put in charge of a bank! Kamikaze / and his minister for immigration both have history of encouragement .. serious encouragement.
THE COST OF DEPORTING 1 PERSON TO R WANDA means that the COST FOR A YEAR KEEPING THEM here is transferred as a 1 off payment to have moved them on [ at a profit! ] add to that if stops just 5% of those crossing [ media reports supported a similar +% ] then for 2024 SO FAR that would be an initial £66,000,000 SAVED

 

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can understand when I see pics like this when a 6 year old says "is that a robot man?"
His facial expressions are always shock and awe.. bit like a guilty person who has nicked the ginger bread!

Always seems to me to be out of place in the presence of world leaders!

 

All the doom and gloom from Labour. What happened to the promises of growth ????

He'd rather splurge money on paying train drivers whilst locking up white working class people who have a genuine axe to grind, while they're letting real criminals out of jail

He says there is a society problem and the riots exposed the cracks. Again, he's directing this at white working class people not any other group who were involved in disturbances all over the country especially in Leeds where the Police basically ran away.

 

Anyone who rioted should be dealt with appropriately. I’m white working class and wouldn’t dream of rioting. If I did I’d expect to face the consequences.

 

Well Angelic all those voting for him and the 6 million that voted last time, not this, to keep him out or at least on a short leash are going to rue the day.
In terms of vote share Labour increased theirs due to the massacre of the SNP...
what he does is not at the bequest of the majority of UK citizens .. there should be a way to ... IF ... as expected it seems all going more AWRY than at present to get a public vote of NO confidence in the .gov.
even in some counties that have democratic voting coup's are not unknown!
I wonder if the KING could step in and say enough is enough ... or you cant do that ... or dont think your promise to do a worthwhile job was a loads of codswallop?

 

dont get the 2 mixed up!! ASHTON, totally [myself] against rioting or doing a Trump to get others to! 90% OF THE SO CALLED RIOTS WERE PROTESTSand probably only about 10% actually did the damage or encouraged it the rest were caught up and their protest was smothered ............. MEDIA only sells on the bad stuff!

we are slowly after the events of 2011 .... KAMIKAZE WAS HEAVILY INVOLVED.... and the latest ones which were actually 2 events .
FIRST BIT WAS in respect to the 3 sad death's in Southport .. mis information and reality was it was going to happen and would have ceased after a day or 2 ... BUT ... IT WAS A WAKE UP CALL A CALL TO ARMS ABOUT THE FLOODING OF OUR COUNTRY BY ILLEGALS ... and lack of .GOV action and plans to give out almost 100,000 free passes with no deterrent.. jumping on the band wagon were other factions the anti ... anti's and the machete wielders/ palestinian groups ... less peaceful during this period......

 

Mr Starmers is claiming the economy is in worst state that ever imaginable, while the economy factually is growing.

He would rather splurge £8 billion-plus a year on hotels and nice stuff for illegal migrants, while binning the winter fuel allowance for British pensioners

Yes, and there is nobody arguing differently.

Meanwhile why have so many of those involved in the far right riots been arrested, charged and imprisoned when in contrast the Government is silent with what appears to be slow progress bringing those involved in the not far right Leeds Harehills riots, or the London not far right Bangladeshi riots to justice?

Cracking down on British (white) protesters, while failing to crackdown with the full force of the law those of a differing tier, two tier Keir policing?

 

My statement still holds though.

 

The king will not get involved in politics.

 

Amen

 

There is no voting system that’s perfect, I can’t see there being a chance to get the present government out until the next election. They’ve won a massive majority of seats, so I can’t see there’s any reason for them to look at PR either. And as far as I know, the only way to have a vote of confidence is in the HOC, if a majority of MP’s call for one, which is never going to happen whilst Labour has such a big majority.

 

So the guy who threw a coffee cup at Farage gets a suspended sentence. But the women who reposted a vile meme on Social Media goes down for 18 months

Two Tier Justice System ? You bet there is !!!!

We should be protecting politicians whoever they are. The murders of Jo Cox and Sir David Ames who were just doing their job have obviously been forgotten

And still the assailants on the Police at Manchester Airport several weeks ago that left female officers with broken noses are still walking the streets !

You really couldn’t make this sh*t up !