Need to stop sacking managers and get some consistency. Our final position at the end of season 13/14 is when Rodgers should be judged, anything before that point is not worth it, yet another upheaval of everything will not be the way forward.
I think we will be bringing in at least 2-3 players in January, and they will all most probably be attackers. This is the short term problem area which needs to be rectified ASAP. A left back, back up keeper, and a young DM are neccessary but have less priority.
Good player and definitely one for the future. But I think it might be asking too much to have another youngster fill a position?
I have said we could do with a left back but I also agree it is not a main priority. I'd said get two attacking players and then a left back but with the sudden return to form of Enrique I am not so sure it should even be listed as third now
ok ok here's the thing. rodgers should be judged by what his team brings in but why debate that now? I think the squad is "adequete" in all areas except attack. Borini is not ready for the big time. rodgers bought him and let carroll go. thats a big deal and a big mark in the against column. he's got to rectify it in january. I don't understand why we are talking about Left fulls, keepers and defensive midfielders though.... we're not enar top 4 quality yet and frankly the only reason we are not is the attack. Compare and contrast utds weakassed defesne and midfield to ours and then compare our terrible offensive options to thier WORLD CLASS streiking options and wingers. valencia, young, nani and even giggs gives them huge options out wide and with RVP and rooney they have the best strike force going, not to mention a little hot streak from their poacher. we've none of that so are struggling. We have a couple of kids and suzrez who's on a hot streak so we are climbing the tbale from nowhere to possible top ten! Left full..... Robinson has played europa, he's developing. Enrique and johnson are covering it. Wisdom is playing right full amd making it his own! I think robsinon has stepped up but whats changed my mind since last may where i put this position as about no 5/6 priority is the emergence of wisdom. I want johnson on the left Goalkeeper? Why? jones in fairness to him has done well in his stint in goal. no errors and just looks very uncomfrotable but function on the back pass. I'd love to nick butland off the brum but its only as a future option. Defensive midfield???? Henderson, allen, lucas... they call all play the role. sahin is only on loan but he is supposed to be able for it too.... rememebr masch, alonso, gerrard sissoko? well one had to leave didn't he? we have more than enough there to get by. As for CB. I'm of the opinion that kelly coates agger and skertl are more than sufficient now that wisdom has so forcefully emerged. Our no 1 and 2 priorities were strikers and we failed so IMO we must fill those wide breths up with talent and rotate sterling in and out before we burn the kid out. we NEED to rotate suso in and out with gerrard. Do this and we can push on up the table
MITO - Hendo and Allen can cover the DM role to some extent. But we have seen how vulnerable they can be. The defence is left exposed and we look ordinary - hence why we are excited to see Lucas is back. A young GK is needed because Jones isn't getting younger, neither is Reina. Without a doubt, the attack needs sorting out first and foremost. Then I'd say we need a specialist DM.
I think Rodgers could be moulding Henderson into a DM. If this is the case Rodgers may look for a ball retainer/ball retainer.
I agree with MITO there. Some of the positions mentioned we can always start looking for improvements especially in the summer but our attacking options are the priority. I'd personally like an equal to Lucas now as much for it to free up some midfielders further upfield where they should be but its still not more important than obtaining players that can work up front with Suarez. Because let's face it they have to be able to because its going to be him and a others for the foreseeable future .
1. I am of the opinion there is no such thing as a DM only players who are limted in ability like a scott parker type. modern midfielders and indeed midfielders of yore need to be able to sit in and also have the range of apssing. I firmly believe that in particular gerrard but also sahin have been guilt of being a bit lazy in tactical duties and have elft allen over loaded playing 2 v 1 and that is the main reason we oook ordinary at times.... another reason we ook ordinary is allen is also going to far forward and all three are caught out by one pass. I look forward to lucas getting back in not only for defensive solidity but also his strength, passing ability and brain to stay with the ball and not get ahead of it. 2. point one does come with the disclaimer that one of the midfield 3 (gerrarD) needs ot get ahead of the ball by making positive forward direct runs and join the box. 3. I agree than henderson will get more into the central midfield role without question but he lacks the positional sense a little. needs to learn. 4. I don't agree a younger keeper is needed when guys are 29 and 30... not when keepers peak at 35 and friedal is playing on at 41. I would however love to snap up butland as a bright prospect especially as he could go very cheap. I'm not saying don't do it but it has to be right and frnakly if we've 15mil max in january we need it all for forwards. 5. younger keepers want to play (carson, kirkland) either we let them or they will try else where (foster as well) City pushed given out for hart and didn't look back i suppose so either we've great faith in reina or not i guess
That surely depends on the season. If it's the first full season of rebuilding since avoiding administration then you shouldn't expect to win silverware with two finals. And if you do, don't go getting all ****ing gurny about finishing 8th. We're also 4 points off 16th. Remember when muppets said Rafa drew too many games and was too defensive, despite scoring 9 goals more than everybody else in 2008/09? Still, Rodgers was always more likely to win or lose than draw in his previous jobs. Yeah, Steve Clarke had just taken over WBA. Tricky as ****. It was around game 24 when we fell off a cliff. Once 4th was gone the league effort tailed off, as it should've. There'd have been Hell to pay if players had been injured pointlessly with two finals to play for. All this crap about 8th is just stupid. 4th didn't get CL qualification, either. We won a cup. Suck on that, 4th. Because most of the deadwood had already been shipped out and the hard work done. Perhaps you've forgotten about all that administration stuff. It was two years ago, after all. That's, like, the 70s, or something. Just like there's no pressure on Rodgers to win anything because that was already taken care of and the media silenced on, "Haven't won anything since 2006". We could've blown £25m on Darren Bent instead of Carroll. Nobody's saying Bent is "unplayable". The problem is Rodgers only sees Carroll as unplayable so that's going to cost us, too, needlessly. There's also all those players in envelopes he can't use, who might have had better seasons if FSG hadn't decided to set us back again. But no manager gets 100% in the market so we must always expect some players not to work out. Thankfully not every player who doesn't work out in his first season gets shipped out on demand of impatient fans who think one season is an eon, which is why we still have Lucas. One thing's for certain: getting rid of Carroll is going to cost us more than keeping him would. And we got Carroll with £15m profit. Torres and Babel paid for Suarez and Carroll with loose change back. Poor, poor us. Where was the profit from the Allen and Borini deals? Total bollox. We played some brilliant football last season. I don't see anything to match it this season. Do natural goalscorers hit the woodwork? Because those players seemed to be creating more and better chances last season. Now we're pulling our plonkers in midfield while the oppositions organise their defences. Maybe you didn't notice that Lucas was out last season, too. Probably for longer. But apparently you can't use that as an explanation, you have to have the squad to deal with injuries to vital players. It must be a big problem, though, to inherit a team that made two finals and maintained a much better league average than you've managed since taking over. That squad was on it's way up and should've been kicking on this season. Instead we're getting all this Hodgsoin crap about it all being the fault of the squad and 7th being "an improvement". It wasn't when Hodgson tried it on and it isn't now. Agger, SKrtel, Lucas, Johnson, Gerrard, Suarez...I mean FFS, how many more decent players who could walk into most teams in the league do you ****ing want? No, that's not all we knew. We knew Rodgers wasn't responsible for Swansea's style, he simply continued it. We knew he had a worse record than Hodgson. We knew he was cheaper than a top manager. We knew he'd kept a club in the PL for a season, joining that esteemed club of Mick mcCarthy, Gary Megson, Sam Allardyce, Joe Kinnear, etc etc. And you certainly don't appear to know that Kenny's team was a work in progress, part of a three-year plan that most fans bottled it over because the media kept harping on about 8th.Don't lecture me about patience because few fans nowadays know the meaning of the ****ing word. How long did it take him to put Carroll on against WBA? 3-0 down with 10 men and he did nothing for far too long. There's times he's been like a rabbit in headlights, or a King Canute, refusing to accept the tide ain't turning. There's making a shrewd substitution and there's ****ing it up before the game begins. Rodgers is certainly no Mourinho, any more than Owen Coyle is the new Alex Ferguson because he moans about refs. Jose doesn't pretend he'll deliver the prettiest play in all of football. He just wins ****, when he wasn't being out-tactic'd by Rafa. But winning things doesn't seem to count for as much as qualifying for things anymore.
Lets look at it another way. 1. We're unbeaten in the last 7 games, 3 wins, 4 draws. 2. We've collected 13 points from 21 available. 3. Manchester City, Manchester United and Arsenal in 3 of the first 5 games, for a new manager attempting to implement his ideas was always going to be difficult. Yes we would have loved to have say 5 more points, we were one mistake away from collecting 3 points at home to Manchester City and two horrendous decisions one a penalty, the other a sending off of collecting a point against Manchester United.
Welcome the forum mate I actually do agree with some points that MFG raised, but like S team says, unbeaten in 7, and it has given us a much needed platform to build on. Yes Rodgers wasn't the most 'esteemed' manager in the world, no maybe Kenny shouldn't of been sacked. Kenny is still a legend of this club, but he's not our manager right now. We need to look at the present and the future, and give Rodgers every chance to succeed instead of wanting him to trip up at every opportunity, to be honest I don't know if MFG is even serious anymore, I imagine him to be chuckling to himself behind his computer as we all bite. It was a terrible start to the season, but we're starting to look more like a team, we're harder to beat and we look like we actually have some balance between defense and attack, I'm not saying everything is rosy (it's far from it) but if you're not willing to support your club, nor willing to give Rodgers the CHANCE to succeed, then really what's the point in following Liverpool.
