Juan Mata

[chelsea - over 100 years of history]

Depends how many players in the game you think are World Class, I suppose. If you're getting to the point where much more than 20 players are World Class then you're just handing them out like sweets, if not we have over a third of the World Class players here in the Premier League which aint so bad for a league in decline.

World class i'd say is someone who'd be in contention for a world team but if a lot of players in the same position are at the same level then you could have more. I personally don't see a lot of difference between Mata, Silva and Iniesta. One has played at a higher level for longer and plays for Barca but you can't tell me Barca would be any worse off by swapping Iniesta for Mata.

Messi and Ronaldo are a cut above everyone else in terms of impact and goal scoring but that's not to limit the number of world class players to only 2-3. Surely the best defender in the world must be world class cos a team of 11 Messi's would win nothing (although can you imagine them with the ball??!!).

 

[Drogs]

Ronaldo's the only one,if Bale went to real,he'd take Di Maria's place,Robben and Ribery are both past their Prime,even you should know that Drogs,if you know anything about football.

Di Maria the only debate, only thing Bale has on the other two is age and strength.

 

[District Line]

World Class to me means you are as good as/unrivalled by anyone else in your position in World Football.

Who is better than Mata in his current position? Certainly nobody in the Premier League. He'd get into Bayern or Real's team no question, not Barca's but nobody would displace Xavi or Iniesta, they are footballing gods, once in a lifetime players

Tiger Woods - World Class Golfer
Nadal - World Class Tennis player etc.

 

[District Line]

Bale wouldn't get into the Real team

 

[TheOXOCube:5pur2]

Bale wouldn't get into the Real team

I think his level is the Real bench, but the hype surrounding him would probably cause the manager to play him.

 

[Drogs]

Here are the players I believe to be world class in respective positions:

GK:
Neuer
Buffon
Hart
Cech

RB:
Alves
Lahm

CB:
Chiellini
Kompany
Vidic (arguably not anymore due to injury)
Ramos
Badstuber

LB:
Cole
Marcelo

CM/CDM:
Pirlo
Xavi
Iniesta
Toure
Alonso
Busquets
Schweinstieger

CAM:
Ozil
Mata
Muller
Silva
Rooney

RM/LM:
Ronaldo
Ribery Bale could be here soon, but I still wouldn't take him over them.
Robben
Di Maria

ST:
Messi
Falcao
RVP
Suarez
Cavani
Aguero

 

[TheOXOCube:5pur2]

Here are the players I believe to be world class in respective positions:

GK:
Neuer
Buffon
Hart
Cech

RB:
Alves
Lahm

CB:
Chiellini
Kompany
Vidic (arguably not anymore due to injury)
Ramos

LB:
Cole
Marcelo

CM/CDM:
Pirlo
Xavi
Iniesta
Toure
Alonso
Busquets

CAM:
Ozil
Mata
Muller
Silva
Rooney

RM/LM:
Ronaldo
Ribery Bale could be here soon, but I still wouldn't take him over them.
Robben
Di Maria

ST:
Messi
Falcao
RVP
Suarez
Cavani
Aguero

Wouldn't include Hart there just yet

 

[Drogs]

Wouldn't include Hart there just yet

I think he's the best in the PL tbf, he is overhyped due to being English but that also gets him a lot of criticism.

edit: I added Badstuber and schweinsteiger too

 

[No Kane No Gain]

World Class to me means you are as good as/unrivalled by anyone else in your position in World Football.

Who is better than Mata in his current position? Certainly nobody in the Premier League. He'd get into Bayern or Real's team no question, not Barca's but nobody would displace Xavi or Iniesta, they are footballing gods, once in a lifetime players

Tiger Woods - World Class Golfer
Nadal - World Class Tennis player etc.

What do you see as his position? Left wing - Ronaldo and then there are a few players like Mata, Bale, Muller, who are all at a similar level and will happily play from the same starting position, whilst El Sharaawy and Schurrle are getting there, both are devastating in their own leagues. Attacking midfield - Toure, Iniesta and then Mata fits in amongst Hamsik, Gotze, Ozil and Rooney(feel free to ignore that one to avoid an argument ).

 

[No Kane No Gain]

Sorry, I have to ask but do you guys watch Di Maria regularly? I don't but everytime I've seen him over the last couple of seasons he's not looked anywhere near the potential he had. I'm lost at how highly you rate them.

 

[King Shergar]

World Cup Winner
European Championship Winner
Champions League Winner
FA Cup Winner

Goals and assists in Major Finals (FA Cup, Champions League and European Championship)

... At the age of just 24.

17 goals, 20 assists this season. Goals against Arsenal (x2), Spurs (x2), United, Newcastle, West Ham.

Get your head re-examined WUM

I'm sure you'll agree then that Wes Brown has been a superior player to John Terry.

CL titles

Brown 2
Terry 1

PL titles

Brown 7
Terry 3

FA cups

Brown 2
Terry 5

League Cups

Brown 3
Terry 2

Community Shield

Brown 4
Terry 2

Your logic, not mine!

 

[Drogs]

Sorry, I have to ask but do you guys watch Di Maria regularly? I don't but everytime I've seen him over the last couple of seasons he's not looked anywhere near the potential he had. I'm lost at how highly you rate them.

bit of an old school winger, gets assists but not many goals. I admit he hasn't been amazing in europe. tbf it was between Di Maria and Bale for that spot! I also am a big fan of Valencia but he appears to have gone off the boil this season.

 

[Drogs]

I'm sure you'll agree then that Wes Brown has been a superior player to John Terry.

CL titles

Brown 2
Terry 1

PL titles

Brown 7
Terry 3

FA cups

Brown 2
Terry 5

League Cups

Brown 3
Terry 2

Community Shield

Brown 4
Terry 2

Your logic, not mine!

DL went on to show statistics and then important games Mata had a big part in.

 

[King Shergar]

DL went on to show statistics and then important games Mata had a big part in.

DL just listed tournaments Mata had won, including all his achievements internationally, where he has barely kicked a ball

 

[Drogs]

DL just listed tournaments Mata had won, including all his achievements internationally, where he has barely kicked a ball

you quoted it yourself, no he didn't

Goals and assists in Major Finals (FA Cup, Champions League and European Championship)

... At the age of just 24.

17 goals, 20 assists this season. Goals against Arsenal (x2), Spurs (x2), United, Newcastle, West Ham.

or do you just chose to be stupid?

oh and he has 21 caps for Spain at 24 despite the amount of world class talent also there. As Silva/Iniesta decline Mata will replace them. People used to say the exact same thing about Fabregas because he didn't play for Spain, such a naive view.

 

[King Shergar]

you quoted it yourself, no he didn't



or do you just chose to be stupid?

oh and he has 21 caps for Spain at 24 despite the amount of world class talent also there. As Silva/Iniesta decline Mata will replace them. People used to say the exact same thing about Fabregas because he didn't play for Spain, such a naive view.

Read it back, he says Mata is World Cup winner and Euro chpionship winner, when he barely played. He only got a goal in the final when the manager brought him off the bench for a run out once the game was already won. It's like boasting that Ross Turnbull is a CL winner

 

[District Line]

DL just listed tournaments Mata had won, including all his achievements internationally, where he has barely kicked a ball

Solsjkaer barely kicked a ball in the CL.......

 

[District Line]

What do you see as his position? Left wing - Ronaldo and then there are a few players like Mata, Bale, Muller, who are all at a similar level and will happily play from the same starting position, whilst El Sharaawy and Schurrle are getting there, both are devastating in their own leagues. Attacking midfield - Toure, Iniesta and then Mata fits in amongst Hamsik, Gotze, Ozil and Rooney(feel free to ignore that one to avoid an argument ).

Central Attacking Midfielder.

 

[Drogs]

Read it back, he says Mata is World Cup winner and Euro chpionship winner, when he barely played. He only got a goal in the final when the manager brought him off the bench for a run out once the game was already won. It's like boasting that Ross Turnbull is a CL winner

yes, and then below that he stated his individual stats.

 

[King Shergar]

Solsjkaer barely kicked a ball in the CL.......

He scored the winner off the bench, abit different to Mata scoring the 4th in a 4-0 win, coming off the bench at 3-0.

I assume you agree then by your own logic

Brown>Terry