1. Log in now to remove adverts - no adverts at all to registered members!

Jose says you're all stupid

Discussion in 'Manchester United' started by Bodinki, Mar 23, 2018.

  1. Libby

    Libby 9-0

    Joined:
    Feb 9, 2011
    Messages:
    76,434
    Likes Received:
    77,112
    Quite possibly.

    Or he's not suited/got the mentally to play for a big club so far away from his hometown? It's believed that his agent actually pushed for the move more than he did and talked him into it rather than him being desperate to leave and he feels let down by it.
     
    #41
  2. Diego

    Diego Lone Ranger

    Joined:
    Jun 29, 2011
    Messages:
    46,247
    Likes Received:
    21,017
    Like I said he was superb when he first came, the only person letting him down is himself.
     
    #42
  3. Libby

    Libby 9-0

    Joined:
    Feb 9, 2011
    Messages:
    76,434
    Likes Received:
    77,112
    Playing devils advocate, if you're someone who is weak mentally and you suffer a serious injury such as he did, do you think that could have a huge effect on him and then make it harder to settle in?

    My original point was is him being berated in public constantly isn't going to help him and a move in the Summer probably suits all parties.
     
    #43
  4. gav81

    gav81 Active Member

    Joined:
    Nov 14, 2017
    Messages:
    429
    Likes Received:
    106
    I wonder how much of his fitness is down to lack of competitive game time. Fergie said that Rooney was the type of player who always needed a run of games after a lay off to get back in peak shape.

    Apart from that, I think we fans should follow Mourinho's example. The next time Shaw is on the pitch we should throw abuse at the lad, wave 'Luke Out' banners and boo his every touch. If that doesn't get the best from him then nothing will.
     
    #44
  5. glazerfodder

    glazerfodder Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 11, 2011
    Messages:
    4,858
    Likes Received:
    1,655
    By virtue of the fact that the lad wold be on the pitch and playing would be testament to the fact that JM continues to show faith in him - and play him. If, at that point, he still wasn't putting in a shift then the fans would be entitled to have a go, especially when you consider the money he is getting paid for playing so badly. If he gave it a go for a couple of months for free, I would be prepared to give him his 20th chance to prove himself, but at the moment his wages are taking up a berth for a more competent and consistent LB - at the moment Shaw is a net loss to the club rather than an asset
     
    #45
    Diego likes this.
  6. Chief

    Chief Northern Simpleton
    Forum Moderator

    Joined:
    May 17, 2011
    Messages:
    37,146
    Likes Received:
    23,970
    If he does suffer from depression or stress then it's the first we've heard of it.

    And if he does, then the club would know.

    In that case, Mourinho's approach is definitely the wrong one, which makes me think he's more bone idle than suffering from a mental condition as United would not do that.
     
    #46
    Diego likes this.
  7. Chief

    Chief Northern Simpleton
    Forum Moderator

    Joined:
    May 17, 2011
    Messages:
    37,146
    Likes Received:
    23,970
    Anyway, howdy Liebs.


    You missing the PL board? BRB or whatever he calls himself is doing a reet good job of ruining it. Pretty soon the whole site will be dead.
     
    #47
  8. gav81

    gav81 Active Member

    Joined:
    Nov 14, 2017
    Messages:
    429
    Likes Received:
    106
    That's the thing, have you seen Shaw not put in a shift? In the handful of games he's played this season I think he's looked decent enough. The stats sites support that he's often outperformed others in our back line in the few opportunities he's had. In our last game where Shaw was subbed at half time, it was his dribble to the box and lay back to Matic which drew two defenders allowing space for the cross Lukaku scored from.

    I feel like Mourinho's criticism is as much because he doesn't like Shaw as a player - perhaps he's too free-spirited and attack-minded for such a defensively rigid tactical system.
     
    #48
    organic red and Libby like this.
  9. Libby

    Libby 9-0

    Joined:
    Feb 9, 2011
    Messages:
    76,434
    Likes Received:
    77,112
    Alright Chief <ok>

    Nah not really missing it like I thought I would which surprised me admittedly, though I still read through and can see brb is still doing his best to ruin it. Remarkable how many people lap his **** up and lick his arse just because he's a supermod.

    As for Shaw I understand you being skeptical as you've not heard it but the I've read and heard enough from trustworthy people to believe it's definitely true. Naturally I don't expect that you be enough for any of you but just thought it'd be worth repeating.
     
    #49
  10. Libby

    Libby 9-0

    Joined:
    Feb 9, 2011
    Messages:
    76,434
    Likes Received:
    77,112
    ^thought I'd posted that about 4 hours ago <doh>
     
    #50
    Diego likes this.

  11. Swarbs

    Swarbs Well-Known Member
    Forum Moderator

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2011
    Messages:
    15,533
    Likes Received:
    1,371
    Absolutely. We've had sports psychologists on staff since the early days of the SAF era, we were way ahead of the crowd in that regard. One of the main reasons we were so consistently competitive even when our squad was behind that of our rivals.

    Apparently Mourinho brought two additional specialists in at the start of the season to assess the squad, so hard to believe he would ignore their advice around the rumoured mental state of Shaw. Which leads me to believe either:

    a. He is simply bone idle and will leave in the summer
    b. He is mentally weak, but the psychologists have advised Mourinho that this can be addressed by direct criticism and pressure, not by reinforcing the weakness by keeping him in a bubble
     
    #51
  12. Archers Road

    Archers Road Urban Spaceman

    Joined:
    Jun 1, 2011
    Messages:
    53,854
    Likes Received:
    58,354

    Or option c. Mourinho is a bit of a c**t.

    There is evidence to support that assessment, whereas a. and b. are both mere supposition.

    So I vote c. <ok>
     
    #52
  13. Swarbs

    Swarbs Well-Known Member
    Forum Moderator

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2011
    Messages:
    15,533
    Likes Received:
    1,371
    Oh option c has been proven beyond a doubt.

    However simply being a bit of a **** doesn't mean Mourinho would deliberately sabotage his own player. He's a ****, but he's usually a considered and manipulative ****. He usually has a reason for doing what he does, which is either a or b.
     
    #53
    Libby, organic red and Archers Road like this.
  14. gav81

    gav81 Active Member

    Joined:
    Nov 14, 2017
    Messages:
    429
    Likes Received:
    106
    No manager deliberately alienates their own player(s) but Mourinho has a long record of achieving it that makes even Keane look like an angel.
     
    #54
    Saints_Alive likes this.
  15. Christiansmith

    Christiansmith Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2011
    Messages:
    9,727
    Likes Received:
    1,558
    surely you are not saying that Keane could be one of those who could give players a hard time. A poor man’s JM? Why would anyone even consider someone remotely similar to our manager if United did sack him or “let him go”?

    Mourinho has a style which has proved successful in the past. But that success has not endeared him to some owners or clubs. Some fans (evidently not all) like the Chavs did accept him and adored him presumably because he brought unprecedented success. But for clubs like Real Madrid or even inter Milan the success he brought was too costly in terms of the style of football and the alienation of owners, press, other managers, reputation and fans.
     
    #55
  16. Saints_Alive

    Saints_Alive Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 4, 2011
    Messages:
    29,853
    Likes Received:
    34,233
    United could do so much better than Mourinho, his style and tactics have largely been sussed out now and he is just not right for your club, he is not fit to lick SAF's boots IMO.
    I'll admit that I don't like his methods and manchild personality and the sooner he is out of British football the better as far as i'm concerned.
     
    #56
    gav81 likes this.
  17. gav81

    gav81 Active Member

    Joined:
    Nov 14, 2017
    Messages:
    429
    Likes Received:
    106
    <laugh>

    Because Keane has learnt his lesson about hanging out players in public. Plus he doesn't have a whopping great ego. With a winning mentality, motivation, standards, belief in youth, and positive play style that would give Mourinho nightmares.
     
    #57
  18. Red Hadron Collider

    Red Hadron Collider The Hammerhead

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2011
    Messages:
    57,485
    Likes Received:
    9,843
    Is he the fat lad?
     
    #58
  19. gav81

    gav81 Active Member

    Joined:
    Nov 14, 2017
    Messages:
    429
    Likes Received:
    106
    No, that was Rooney!
     
    #59
  20. gav81

    gav81 Active Member

    Joined:
    Nov 14, 2017
    Messages:
    429
    Likes Received:
    106
    After the fans, players and United's heritage, Jose's latest attack comes on the club legends..


    "There are a lot of high-profile people in football, like old players, some of them have gone from players to weak and frustrated managers and they return to football with the status of high-level pundits. People remember more of what they were as players and not of what they were as managers. They are voices that influence public opinion.

    I think it’s not against me, but against the manager of Manchester United. Not all clubs have Eusébios and Manuéis Fernandes, that is, not everyone has old legends who like the club more than themselves.

    “There are clubs where the old legend doesn’t want the glory of the new. The old legend who thinks he’ll only continue to be one if the club isn’t without him what it was with him. United have a huge history, with a lot of legends."

    http://sportwitness.co.uk/extraordi...sts-former-man-united-players-want-club-fail/


    The man is a disgrace. Have some respect!
     
    #60

Share This Page