John Terry Retires From International Football

Sensible post. Terry said something in the heat of the moment; whereas Suarez deliberately targeted Evra's skin colour to wind him up

 

That's all fair enough but I think personally context is a massive determining factor. If Terry's version is true (or deemed to be), to punish him (which will invariably lead to him forever being labelled a racist) would be an absolute joke just because he used the word 'black' in a sentance that clearly (if Terry's version is true) is not racist. The FA rules state they should follow a court's decision unless evidence proves that decision was wrong.

So the FA then must by their own rules accept Terry is not guilty of a racist comment, just using a racist term in a non racist context. Seems ridiculous as my 4 player example above illustrates.

As for Suarez, his context argument seemed to be pleading ignorance of the meaning of the word to Evra, which was frankly a ridiculous defence given he'd spent all game winding him up. I think the two cases are very distinguishable.

 

The real worry long term is what are Rangers fans gonna do when this is all over. There are going to be a lot of bored Rrrs out there; what they should do is buy some tickets and actually support their team for once.

The reality is they will get on their own team's back again like last season under NW

 

This is a very good post.

I may be out of order a bit, and your fellow Hoop may genuinely care about the race issue. What is clear though is a lot of rival fans are using this as the stick to beat Chelsea and their fans with more than actually caring about the issue. Some people are genuinely getting pleasure out of all this, which is very sad indeed.

 

Like the large majority of Rangers 'fans'

 

If they don't believe John Terry, they will find him guilty.
If they do believe him, but disregard the context (which rule E3 (1) seems to suggest) then they will probably find him guilty.
If they believe him and take context into account, then it's really anybody's guess, depends on who is on the panel and what they feel.

The regulations appear very subjective, and as such are open to interpretation. There is the Suarez precedent, in which they said they disregarded context, and although the circumstances are different, the rule under which Terry is charged is the same one, and you would expect the same criteria to apply.

We will all know soon enough, I guess.

But I repeat - I just want it all to end, a verdict passed one way or the other, then we can all get on with ripping each other to bits over team selection, tactics and results once more. Oh, the good old days.....

 

I can't believe how much time you Rangers fans spend thinking about this. Obsessed

 

I can't believe that you are that surprised when we have a discussion about it with you. You post, we post. That's how it works.

However, talking of obsessed, why did you start a thread on this board about Mark Hughes and the odds on his geting the sack, if you are not yourself getting a little obsessed with your near neighbours?

 

Hardly. One post is not really obsessed.
You: 26 today so far and the day is young

 

Oh, so you're just obsessed with ME?

 

LOL. made up the 26 posts bit!!! 126 more like

 

Agreed.

My guess is Terry will get a ban but not as large as Suarez's. Maybe 4 games.

 

I see you made up the "1" as well....

 

Ha ha, finally the Rrrrs fans relax. Pleased you have a sense of humour.

In reality, there are lot worse things going on in the world than some silly banter on a football field.

if Terry did say it, it is OTT banter: not deep-rooted racial hatred. The only real hatred this case has brought out is the QPR's fans sociopathic hatred of Chelsea and Terry in particular.

 

Not to mention the hatred that goes the other way and has been directed towards Anton Ferdinand.

Until all of this blew up, I really didn't care about Terry one way or the other. If he played well for England I was happy, if he had a mare for Chelsea I was delighted but most of the time he was just another aging defender with the turning circle and pace of an oil tanker - and lord knows we have enough of those in the game.

let's see what the FA says - hopefully tomorrow - then put it all to bed.

And with that, I'm off home.....

 

Willy's feelings about this are genuine, I can assure you. I've had many's a heated debate with him over the year and one thing I can say is that he's passionate about this subject and very consistent.

I do see the Chelsea-baiting thing to be fair, Mr 100. I happen to be one of the few R's (if not the only one) who sees this whole thing as a storm in a tea-cup. Once the media gets hold of a story like this, God help everyone because it just goes manic. I thought the two guys involved, who were both guilty of saying moronic things, should have put it to bed with a joint statement the day after the game. Unfortunately, it all got dragged out and we ended with those farcical scenes in the Courtroom earlier this year - scenes which made both players look like fools to be honest.

Terry DID say it, lets not act like a bunch of know-nothings. Nevertheless, I agree that there's real racism and real discrimination going on in the World that makes this case look rather pathetic.

 

At least you admit you were obsessed before, and Antongate merely exacerbated your hatred of all things Chelsea and JT

 

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