John Terry Retires From International Football

I'm tired of this. I don't know Terry from Adam. Only he can truly answer if he's a racist or not. People say things in the heat of the moment. It's just a shame this has dragged on for so long.

I'm not adding fuel to the fire but I did find it odd who didn't provide affidavits during Terry's trial.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...-to-court-as-Chelsea-star-gives-evidence.html

I only just discovered this because I didn't really care for the case... but I did find that odd those players in particular didn't defend him.

But as I already said, regardless of his character, he has always been a solid CB and England will be weaker. If anything, it's Chelsea's gain.

 

Think it's been misinterpreted tbh, Mikel, Cole and Bertrand all backed him I thought? Your very own Walcott has just waxed lyrical about him on SSN too!

 

Fair play, if that's the case. It was only just brought to my attention. But I would've thought Drogba would have at least provided a affidavits, having played alongside him for nearly a decade. His motives for not providing one will probably remain unknown, I just found that odd.

 

What does this sentence even mean?

EDIT: Terry stated in the witness box that he has supported Didier Drogba's charity. Is that what that poorly worded and needlessly confusing sentence is trying to say?

 

Maybe he didn't want to get dragged into it? Who knows. Terry had quite a few people sticking up for him though! Not just footballers too.

 

I personally think that Terry is the best English defender we have had, maybe not ever, but for a very long time at least. He is a fighter and willing to put, quite literally, his life in the line for club and country.

What has he ever done that is so bad? He cheated on his missus (allegedly) which is no worse than what Rooney has done.

I think he probably did utter those words but I personally think he was trying to upset Ferdinand just as he was with Terry, I don't think he is racist.

As you quite rightly say, England's loss is Chelsea's gain. But then the FA are a bunch of clueless dinosaurs anyway.

 

Yes he was found not guilty. This isn't Scotland.

 

Avram Grant who was very close to JT-is astounded by the FA's decision to hold a hearing! He has told of his experiences with his involvement with all the wide mixture of racial groups within the club and he comes top of the class! The FA should never have taken things this far! The whole thing was a childish spat that has been turned into WW3.

 

And have the single-issue race-relations mafia on your case racially abusing you by calling you a 'choc-ice'?

 

You're a sad little man, aren't you. Why try to understand when you can hide behind your keyboard and make little jibes that show you up for the child you are and add nothing to the conversation.

Sadly, you are typical of the stereotype people have of Chelsea supporters, and you're doing nothing to change that. Your loss.

 

Says you behind your keyboard - brilliant logic.

Fact is you're loving all this and that is a sad state of England today. We should all be devastated that English football is being dragged through the mud over all this instead of using it as a chance to have a dig at rival clubs/players/fans.

If Terry was a racist, do you really think he would be close friends and well respected by so many people in the game (black or otherwise)??? Don't you think it would have come out long before now??? This is hardly the racism of the 70s and 80s where black players and fans were abused, often physically. The fact you morons seem to class this Terry saga in the same bracket is why the media can keep feeding you this nonsense and it's still going on a year on.

Take your anti Chelsea specs off and get a dose of reality. This is a non story that has got out of control. Spurs players were actually racially abused last week by Italian fans and that has got so little coverage, ask yourself why.

 

Wrong again, but you won't be convinced. You only read the comments you wish, and ignore the rest. I have never calles Terry a racist, but I do kniow that he used a racial slur. He has admitted as much, in saying that he did use the words he is accused of.

I said above how much I despise this whole saga and the impact on the game, but you choose to ignore that statement.

And for information, I don't have anti-chelsea specs. However, fans like you are making me consider getting some. Rather, I have anti racism specs, and that is why this needs resolving and cannot simply be left to drift away.

However, believe what you will, and stand by whoever you will. I really can't be bothered with arguing the point with you any more, because you're not able to take your eyes off your John Terry poster long enough to see what is really going on.

 

The FA have shown over and over and over again that they are a brain dead bunch of financially motivated, under achieving fools who find themselves in charge of a billion dollar business, and to a man, have not contributed one jot to the success they now rule over.
They have a history of balls ups so long ,if written down, the paper would denude the Amazon Forest.
And now ,the crowning glory, they see themselves as above the Law.
Absolutely, numbingly, sickening.
If he is found guilty by these buffoons, I hope Terry takes his case to the International Court for Sport, and exposes these clowns for what they are, huffing, puffing morons.

 

If any of this is true, then it is even sadder that you are getting off on JT's race charge.

 

Exactly right up to the third sentence. In this case they have acted exactly correctly. They rightly held off taking action until the court case was finished so that it would not be prejudiced and they are now testing whether an important rule has been breached despite Terry having committed no criminal offence. Actually I think their disciplinary procedures are about the only good thing about the FA. Some inconsistenceis but generally they uphold the spirit of the game.

 

Terry has been found not guilty by a Court of Law. If the FA now punish him for saying 'did you think I called you a....' what an absolute joke that would be.

It's not racist to say you didn't call someone something.

Player 1 - you're a black so and so
Player 2 - did you call me a black so and so?
Player 3 - did he just call you a black so and so?
Player 4 - I may have misheard but I don't think player 1 called player 2 a black so and so.

FA could then find all 4 players guilty of breaching their brilliant rules in another of their kangaroo courts based on their current logic (rather than just Player 1*).

* Suarez!!!

 

I think you're out of order there. He's only giving an opinion. He's stated honestly why this issue resonates strongly with him and I think you should respect that mate.

Someone mentioned the Suarez/Evra case saying that that wasn't racism because the guy was from a different culture. Suarez ran around after Evra and repeated a derivative of the "N" word more than 30 times throughout a 90 minute or so period. This is an entirely different scenario to the Terry/Ferdinand case because, far from being a once-off utterance in the heat of the moment, Suarez was constantly and very consciously berating another player because of the colour of his skin.

There can be only one of two reasons for this:

(1) He's a racist and has no place in our Sport and should be sold to a Club in Europe or elsewhere, or

(2) He's an ignoramus from some backwater and should have some civility drummed into his head.

Either way, I don't think the two cases are comparable.

The problem with Terry is that people don't like him. Perhaps rightly so, perhaps not. There's also a huge element of football allegiance and/or tribalism that clouds people's judgement. Its no coincidence that QPR fans are unfalteringly behind Ferdinand and Chelsea fans are defending Terry to the death.

Whatever the outcome of the FA probe, we must all accept its findings (and that of the Court case) and finally move on from this whole sorry episode.

 

Again......

The trial in court and the FA hearing are about two separate things, with two different charges, and have two different triggers for determining guilt. The FA charge is specifically about breaching the FA rules - nothing about the law of the land, and as such that case and the decision taken by the Magistrate have no real bearing on the FA hearing.

The sticking point is whether the FA believe John Terry's view (that Anton Ferdinand started it and that he was simply responding) or whether they believe Anton Ferdinand's view (that he heard nothing during the game, and as such John Terry's version would not stand up.)

The court case was dismissed on the grounds that, whilst there was no doubt that John Terry said what he is accused of (and that he admits) the evidence could not prove, beyond reasonable doubt, the context.

The FA rule under which John Terry is charged has different criteria. Rule E3 (1) covers the "use of abusive and/or insulting words and/or behaviour, which included a reference to ethnic origin and/or colour and/or race, towards an opponent". There's no mention of intent, or context, it's a matter for the FA panel to decide whether the words used fall into this context, and that they were used in the balance of probabilities. Should they so, then Terry will be found guilty. If they decide that under the same criteria that John Terry didn't break Rule E3 (1), then he will be found not guilty.

As you mention the Suarez case, it's worth noting that he was found guilty irrespective of context. The commission at his hearing said "
It is not necessary for the FA to prove that Mr Suarez intended his words or behaviour to be abusive or insulting. We are concerned with whether the words or behaviour were abusive or insulting when used in a match played in England under the FA Rules."

So context will likely not affect the judgement.

I will await the outcome, as we all should, and at that point we should all let it go. There's far too much talk at present of insults and arguments, and not enough about football.

 

Thats because Terry is not a racist. Despite the witch hunt, either is Suarez.
Terry was cleared in court of being a racist, but he most probably will be found guilty of offensive language and referring to someones race. Which is exactly the same verdict the FA gave Suarez. Terry and Suarez both have masses of people defending them, only they both know weather they are or not.

 

Okay, he may not be but that means he must be the only other option I've outlined above.

Wouldn't you agree?