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John Terry retires from England duty

Discussion in 'Southampton' started by (Conor), Sep 23, 2012.

  1. Mr.Gaston Ramirez

    Mr.Gaston Ramirez New Member

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    Joey Barton is misunderstood. He has an anger problem that people love to expose and try their best to make him turn against them. He is a decent guy, he is smarter than the average footballer and talks a lot of sense. He belives in his own opinion and stands up for himself.

    On the football pitch he always gives 100% just like JT.

    JT may not be a model pro in terms of his personal life, but who is? Why does he have to be perfect in the eyes of the media? Just because he is a role model to kids? His personal life shouldn't be a factor that determines whether or not people look up to him, it's what he does on the pitch that matters.

    I don't know the full details of his affair with Bridge's wife. We don't know if there was something wrong with JT's marriage that lead him to cheat.

    He isn't a racist either, he was found not guilty and the FA still want to impose some sort of punishment on him. Disgusting. They are going against their own rules by doing so.
     
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  2. fatletiss

    fatletiss Well-Known Member

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    Thanks. I'm not sure you have explained why they are held so high in your esteem, apart from maybe always trying hard. In Barton's case, I wish he'd try harder at controlling himself. Was someone trying to expose his "anger problem" when he stubbed a cigarette in an apprentice's eye, fought a team mate or attacked someone in the street? There comes a time when he will have to become a man and take responsibility for his own actions and not blame other people.

    As for Terry, I am not sure your line about his marriage has any relevance or justification for what he did or didn't do. My marriage, like many others, has testing times but my best mate isn't looking over his shoulder.

    I think that probably as many as 90% of footballers give 100% on the pitch, maybe more. It is what they do. Terry and Barton just visibly show gritted teeth. I don't think they try any harder than I did when I played or any of those other 90% of players. As for being "not guilty", neither you or I know. The people convicted of killing Stephen Lawrence were found "not guilty" once too. I believe the judge in the Terry case said it was hard to prove.
     
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  3. SFC4BAG

    SFC4BAG Well-Known Member

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    If his tackle is hard please keep him away from my innocent young kids!!!
     
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  4. Mr.Gaston Ramirez

    Mr.Gaston Ramirez New Member

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    Barton was stupid back then when he stubbed a cigarette in an apprentice's eye like you said, but when was the last time he did something bad that he started by himself? It was when he attacked someone on the street.

    I like Barton because he speaks his mind, he is different to everyone else and he does what he wants and he is not bossed around. He does need to sort out some of his problems, namely, his anger problems.

    There are worse players out there than him that get less abuse. De Jong, for example, has broken two legs in his career I think and look at his performance against Spain in the final of the world cup, shocking. He is far worse than what people deem Joey Barton to be.

    Regarding Terry, maybe Terry wanted something extra in his life or he wasn't getting something at home that he wanted or maybe his eyes needed a change.

    It doesn't matter if people don't think the verdict of his trial wasn't fair or not, the fact is this, he was found to be not guilty of racially abusing Anton Ferdinand and that's a fact. The FA obviously don't like the man and they want to punish him, they can't be trying to take justice into their own hands.
     
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  5. fatletiss

    fatletiss Well-Known Member

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    Oh dear.

    Barton has misbehaved too many times and each time he apologised and says he has changed. You compare De Jongs behaviour on a pitch to Barton's off it????? What about the City game in May? Barton just can't control himself and struts around like a spoiled brat; hence he "does what he wants". He has hardly learned from his previous "one offs" has he? I expect that he was provoked again though.

    Terry wants, so Terry gets? Says a lot in my view.

    Read the start of your reply again. It's as if the attack in the street is dismissed as nothing much.
     
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  6. Mr.Gaston Ramirez

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    Breaking people's legs and kicking someone in the stomach on purpose is worse in my opinion than giving Agüero a dead leg (doesn't hurt at all) after being provoked by Tevez. If you look closely you'll see that Tevez said something to Barton then Man City players surrounded him and wouldn't let him go, he left and then Ballotelli went after him.

    I don't understand what you mean by "Terry wants, so Terry gets".

    I'm not dismissing an attack in the street, I'm sorry if it seemed like it. I've had a loved one that's been attacked in the street so I know what it's like.
     
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    In an earlier post you compared de Jong to Barton. In your post you mentioned de Jong on field activity in the same breath as Barton stubbing a cig out in a team mate and an attack in the street. There is no comparison. I asked the original question because I find it concerning that a young man can ignore/forgive his behaviour (particularly of the pitch) and put someone like Barton in hero status.

    My comment about Terry refers to you suggestion he was not getting something from his marriage and had his eye turned; that's hardly a justification and to me shows that he thinks he can have whatever he wants. That shows arrogance.
     
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  8. fatletiss

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    In an earlier post you compared de Jong to Barton. In your post you mentioned de Jong on field activity in the same breath as Barton stubbing a cig out in a team mate and an attack in the street. There is no comparison. I asked the original question because I find it concerning that a young man can ignore/forgive his behaviour (particularly of the pitch) and put someone like Barton in hero status.

    My comment about Terry refers to you suggestion he was not getting something from his marriage and had his eye turned; that's hardly a justification and to me shows that he thinks he can have whatever he wants. That shows arrogance.
     
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  9. Mr.Gaston Ramirez

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    I don't applaud Joey Barton's actions that he has done in his past, it's in his past. He has done it and he regrets it, it's time to move on.

    The thing is, I can forgive people for their mistakes as I'm not a hypocrite. No one is perfect.

    Leave John Terry alone, everyone is always on his back because he did this and that. He isn't a racist, anyone with atleast an average IQ would of figured this out ages ago.

    Maybe his eyes needed a change or his wife wasn't paying him as much attention, who knows, only he knows. He can have whatever he wants, he is rich.

    I know first hand what people get up to, they get up to far worse things.
     
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  10. fran-MLs little camera

    fran-MLs little camera Well-Known Member

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    Don't know about racist charge, but I think what upset people was his apparent betrayal of Bridge. I know this happens all the time outside football, but a dressing room is a tight unit. However, have to say the lady in question denied it and was very angry that Terry went for the no-comment position.
     
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  11. Wilbur

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    What a ridiculous comment. Young lads look up to footballers and they very much have hero status in their eyes. You can even see in some youth games children beginning to dive because they have seen their heroes do it in the Premiership. Footballers don't seem to realise they have this responsibility when they make the big time.
     
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  12. fatletiss

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    Sorry fella, I think your views are a little naive. For example, how many times will you say the past is the past for Barton?

    I don't know if Terry is racist or not, or has racist views, however I don't know how you can question someone's (hopefully not my) IQ because they may think that.

    "Leave John Terry alone"????? If I have a view, I will express it. And as for "he can have whatever he wants, he is rich..." well, being rich doesn't mean you leave the decent morals of humanity behind. I know lots of people who are and aren't rich, and have and have not left those morals behind.
     
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