Seriously wtf? You blame an entire country for something that happened before most of them were born and that nearly everyone in Germany is hugely ashamed of the past so much so that there are harsh laws against things like being a holocaust denier, laws that we don't have here for example. Sorry but this sort of attitude is really ****ed up and is what perpetuates problems. I can understand it but I don't accept it. PS I refer to myself as half German my dads side come from there and dad was born there. Sent from my GT-I9100 using Tapatalk 2
I can't believe so many of you guys seem to be supporting this court verdict. So now you can call someone a 'f*cking black c*nt', be caught on video clearly saying it, admit that you said it because you can't deny a piece of video that millions of people have seen, and somehow you are not guilty of racism. All you have to do is make up some incredible weaselly tale about how you were actually correcting a misconception on the part of the other player - 'Oh sorry, old chap, I'm frightfully sorry but you misunderstood, I didn't call you a f*cking black c*nt'. As with the Suarez incident, the case became more about the unreliable character of the victim (Evra, Ferdinand). Well, that's really going to make black footballers want to speak out in future. If the football authorities don't immediately start their own investigation, they can excuse the guffaws of sarcastic laughter next time they wheel out their 'Football Against Racism' campaign. What Terry admits he said is as least as bad as what Suarez was accused of, and Terry should get at least the same penalty. A really bad day for football all round. The Scottish clubs make an ethical decision (almost unheard of these days in football) to make Rangers start at the lowest tier, so now the SFL is desperately trying to find ways of bribing the Div One clubs by creating a new SPL2. Why? Money. They don't even pretend there's any other justification because they can't.
he's a dickhead, but he's also legally not guilty so basically whatever. I don't care. Anton Ferdinand is also a dickhead. Maybe we should have a thread where you just put a footballer you think is a dickhead and you aren't allowed to repeat. Rangers is funny. For about 5 minutes. I tweeted to that effect. We can't tell yet whether it's a good or bad thing for Scottish football in general, but I'm sure the BBC will have fun telling us.
Don't care to comment on the JT thing as I do not have enough "proven" information to comment. Rangers - As a club, got what they deserved. I am sure they will bounce back and quite likely will do it in straight seasons. If it does the spell the end of Scottish football will I really care? Probably not as the entire league is simply dreadful and of League 1 level and below (and that's just the SPL).
Well, it isn't all over I'm afraid, because our esteemed and widely respected FA deferred their own disciplinary proceedings until after the court case. I am sure they will now do the right and proper thing, and enhance their sky-high reputation for sound sense and moral fibre even more. I believe they are at this very minute phoning the chairmen of every club in the SFL for advice about what action would best protect the integrity of the Englsh game.
No,perjury would mean that he made it all up,not misheard something and gave his evidence in good faith.Not liking a group of people is a difficult concept.There are elements of Islam that I abhor and in places like Afghanistan it is taken to such lengths that it compares to the Nazis.I have no doubt however that were a Muslim to move into the house next door to me I would probably get on fine.Don't forget that at the height of their popularity barely one German in three voted for the Nazis.
I beg your pardon. My attitude is ****ed up! How am I perpetuating problems? I said I hate Germans for the war and don't want to associate with them. I don't want to associate with racists, EDL, BNP, junkies, alcoholics, *****philes, thieves, bankers or benefit cheats either. I hate them as well. But spare me the German contriteness. Would they feel the same if they had been victorious in the war? Would my Jewish father been able to produce me?
I think that you need to see German guilt as part of the overall package.The terms of the Treaty of Versailles were so draconian in their attempts to get reparations from Germany that they bankrupted the country and saw thousands die of malnutrition,hence the Marshall Plan after WW2 when it was decided to help them rebuild.If we had seen a Marshall Plan in 1919 Hitler would not have got a look in.
Terry and Rangers to World war II Even by our standards, this quite a huge leap in topic conversation
Bit of an unfortunate choice of words but I know what you mean. I'm not trying to turn this into a trial. I was just making a point that each and every one of us has hatreds and prejudices. I hate Germans because of the war. Rich and yourself were trying to persuade me, with different tones I might add, that my hatred was misguided. Fair enough, you haven't convinced me and I doubt you could. I believe John Terry is a completely moron but I'm not necessarily convinced he is a racist. Using the words he did or didn't do not make him a racist. A tosser, ******, thug, twat whatever. But he can like or dislike who he likes in a democracy and I don't see that in a one to one argument with someone, and the object of a slanging match is to be the winner, despite the means, its anybody else business. But he wasn't wandering round with a banner promoting racial hatred. My father in law is from Mauritius and looks like an Indian. If I heard anyone being racist to him, I would react angrily and maybe, ultimately, violently. But he tells jokes about blacks, Irish, Jews, Indians. Does that make him a racist?
can i just say that i spend a bit of time in germany and i find them to be the most wonderful people in the world, far nicer than anyone in this country. my grandfather fought against them in the 2nd world war but even he made friends with germans after the war and loved being in their company. the past is the past and it should be left there
Isn't the truth that ALL peoples and nationalities are capable of the worst excesses of human behaviour given the "right" conjunction of circumstances? Anyone who says "It could never happen here" is deluded. We are all human beings, for better or worse, and sometimes very much for worse. The past should be left behind but, as often said, never forgotten, as the German's have ensured by preserving and helping to preserve Auschwitz and the other ghastly memorials to Nazism.
totally right robbie winds me up when people talk about their hatred of the germans - what is this based on? look at some of the monstrosities our country have been involved in! the press are as much to blame - they stoke the fires all too often. the funny thing is, the german people really like us and can't get their heads round our supposed hatred of them, all based on events from 60+ years ago. go to their country and meet some of them - views can change, that's all i'm saying. its a generalisation i'll admit, but when you compare modern germans to modern brits there is no comparison - we are generally a rude and ignorant group of people. they are the opposite.
I'm not getting involved in yet another pissing contest but suffice to say I've had my four penneth on what I think of Terry and peoples beliefs and prejudices. But obviously there is now a prejudice to modern Brits! End of.
i'm completely with you about terry redruth, i think you talk perfect sense on that matter. i just don't understand how anyone can hate the germans because they were involved in two world wars with us, but people can hate who they want i suppose. i mean, i don't like the french very much, entirely based on meeting a few of them at a match once - they were the most annoying people i've ever met - i'm sure all french people aren't like that but its made me think they are! its irrational but i probably wouldn't travel to france now (unless i had to) because of them!
De blasiis & Brellier, two reasons why it's not irrational to hate the French. Actually, even those two can't stop me loving the country. I've found the people to be great, too. Don't get me started on Parisians though
It's a bit of a generation thing as well Redruth. I was born just as the war ended and like you, was brought up with rationing in place, due to the war started by the nasty Germans, and reading long articles about War Crimes trials, the horrors of the concentration camps and the search for those responsible who were still on the loose. To younger generations all of this is just part of a lesson in history. My Mum saw many young men she knew join the Royal Norfolks, get captured by the Japs and come home looking 30 years older and just skin and bone. To the day she died she would rather go without than buy anything made in Japan. The reason we built up West Germany after the war was nothing to do with preventing a repeat of Hitler but to prevent Russia using military force to take over all of Germany. To do that we had to station huge forces there and needed to get the people on our side by taking the action we did. This ' hatred ' is not one sided. Ask the elderly in Dresden or Hiroshima whether they have ever forgiven the Allies? I agree that on face value this sort of hatred is wrong but is harder to do that if you lived through the reasons the hatred exists.
How has this turned into a discussion about Germans and World War II? This is about racism in British football and society, now. A sizeable percentage of players in British football are now black. What kind of message does this verdict send to them? Basically, that you're still second class citizens, and that when push comes to shove, the white establishment will close ranks and protect their kind. That you can call someone a ****ing black **** and you don't have to worry as long as you're just using it 'sarcastically'. As for those of you who have turned this into an opportunity to attack Ferninand, who was the victim in all of this, just as some people attacked Evra - you should be utterly ashamed of yourselves. I'm guessing that you're white, and your feelings might be a little bit different if you were black.
