As he did with Adam, too, don't see anyone complaining about his treatment of Adam . BR obviously saw enough of AC to know he wouldn't fit with his plans. If AC becomes a superb player, we'll recall him, simple as, if not (and West ham stay up) we'll stake a cool £17m which we can use to pay for players we really need.
They didn't write it off. They loaned LFC the money (interest free in fairness to them). That will still get paid back at some point...looks like that's started already eh
Another suggestion then...BR being so good at developing young players...develops a 23 year old England international the bonus being that in the meantime we aren't left completely ****ed up front.
In all fairness, do you REALLY think Carroll would have come on and slammed 3 past Arsenal the other day?? Carroll for me is a sub, and considering how tight a ship we are now, I think £80k pw (and a player worth £17m) is too much for a sub. Also, BR made it clear he thought that he would get a replacement in after loaning out carroll, so obviously there has been miscommunication. At the end of the day, our chances of 4th were not linked to whether AC plays for us or not, he only scored 6 for us last season ffs and suddenly he's the messiah.
No ones saying he's the messiah (insert very naughty boy pun here) but he was improving and coming on really well. He'd started to make international class defenders stupid, rough them up a bit and was linking well with Gerrard and starting to get somewhere with Suarez. We'd been through the pain barrier with Andy and just as he starts to come good we get rid...on a ****ing loan deal...then fail to replace him. Not BRs fault the last part undoubtedly but still...have we got any better options right now? Not from where I'm sitting. Suarez always wants the glory goal and Borini (the player to really excite the fans) looks equally as goal shy whilst not having any other attributes that make him stand out (not blaming him by the way he's only just arrived).
I don't do Rep it doesn't feed my kids, bang my missus for me or score goals for my club...therefore it is useful to me as twitter
Red my post didn't say that FSG did. It said that customer style fans expect it. And you're proving my point somewhat even some of us older fans have become a little less patient than we used to be. I mostly put that down to the immediacy of the Internet: the whine in pub has become a whine to the world lol. But I also see the creeping effects of commercialisation. Our league and entry methods to the money comps have become more important than the silverware itself: listen to new Arsenal fans for gods sake. 3rd place & cash is the new trophy. And that is what our owners have stated they want. Yes they've tagged on the old lines of eventual return to glory but some (I personally will wait & see if we get there first) question that once we get that 3rd spot will we see a final push if it needs more than the club alone has obtained commercially; through league position money etc new markets or will we hear the same line as now? The other question asked is that no matter how good your manger & academy: will it guarantee success no matter how long it's applied? It suggests LFC is in an upward curving bubble that can't be effected by the fact our rivals will have exactly the same plan! United's Acadeny hasn't really changed so why hasn't it produced a wonder crop every cycle? Because it was a fluke. One helped by a wide net, good facilities but it was also luck. Will everything FSG plan, if done right maximise what the club can do? Yes. Will that be enough to actually challenge for titles or European cups now that we are behind the curve? Not so sure. And in the intervening years if new fans don't see trophies, and finals why would they support LFC? Yes those continuing generations in Liverpool itself will but they quite frankly mean little in terms of numbers in FSG's commercial plans. If you don't attract new fans (glory hunters if you like) in Asia, US etc etc then your sponsorship deals don't get bigger, the self sufficient plan plateaus at say 4th place. We then rely on the failure of those around us to maximise their potential to leapfrog them. Like those that criticise BR for not having multi planning; if FSG are so inflexible in their planning it risks undermining the good whats the point? Computers still don't win at chess against a human grandmaster: why? They can analyse all the variables: it's all in the statistics: should be a certainty yeah? And please would people stop lumping people into FSG are gods & FSG are satan. Same with BR. I can like/approve of certain actions and be concerned & query others. It doesn't mean I want either out: I don't. You do it to players during the match: "what the f*ck was that" must be a fairly common comment on a Saturday it doesn't mean you're condemning the player to be dropped, sold, killed! Supporting the club is more than simple acquiescence. But you can be famed sure that if you don't remind them we're different you'll not be treated differently than if you walked into McDonalds.
BR let Carroll go because he thought he had to in order to bring in what he wanted. My beef isn't with BR. As a new manager he should never have been told you're on a sell to buy basis from the very first day. He should however have waited until he had another player before sanctioning the Carroll move....which to his credit he has admitted was a mistake. Every manager makes mistakes...no new manager deserves to be shafted the way he has been.
I deliberately didn't come on to the forum this morning. I've read each and every post so far so that I can get a flavour of how people are thinking. I've also tried to think long and hard about the issue from both a fans standpoint and from a business perspective. I'm still not sure if I've got it right yet but anyway this is what I think about both the letter and our situation. As a fan I'm angry that we find ourselves in such a stupid position. I do blame Rodgers for being so myopic that he 'forgot' the he had no secured alternative to Carroll before he let him go. I do blame Rodgers for at least appearing not to even try and incorporate Carroll into his system. I do blame Ian Ayre and/or Tom Werner or even John Henry for not orchestrating the change properly. So yes I am really very angry. With my business head, I thank John Henry for his open letter. Yes it is obviously scripted and yes it does seek to avoid responsibility but it does lay down some clear principles. It does say that as owners they are not prepared to place the club in financial jeopardy as did the last 2 ownerships. It did say that clear and good business practices will be at the heart of our operations. It can be interpreted that LFC will be run as a profit centre and therefore not be at the mercy of the fate of other FSC investments. It does clearly link the running of the club to FFP principles and takes us out of the speculation that is beginning to grow in the business pages that it is a matter of time before a Premiership club goes 'pop'. Now you can read into what has been said and what has happened in a number of different ways. My own experience of business acquisitions suggests that it is only after you have taken responsibility for a new firm, tried to make changes and suffered the consequences, that you truly get an understanding of what you have actually bought. This is where I believe that FSC are now. I actually admire their resolve in publishing their commitment to development. Neither you nor I know if that will be successful in the long term. With the European economic reality, the old galacticos model for success is being shown to be the fraud that it always was in business terms. With very few exceptions, this last window proved that there was not the money available to merely 'take a punt'. However, a mistake was made at the closing of the window and it will have consequences for the FSC, the management of LFC, the side and us as fans. But life is all about mistakes, the tragedy is when we don't learn from them. Let's hope that all concerned do. So today I hold my head up as a Redman. I will support the club, the manager and the team on the pitch. It's not been easy to do that for over the last few months in particular. However, if we are are prepared to celebrate success then we have to be able to accept the hard times and stay united. So that's what I think - for better or worse.
Fair comment Dave and i don't doubt you've given it a lot of rational thought (unlike me who just likes a rant). Personally I think you are giving them more credit than they deserve mate but as I've said before I hope those who think FSG will get it right...are right. What I see though is a lurch from disaster to disaster (probably with the exception of their dealings in financial terms) with absolutely no balance. Firstly they overspend massively...then they compensate by underspending, it all sounds like a good plan but isn't there a point in the life of any business when you know that to achieve your ultimate gains you have to take a risk and invest (wisely). How many of the worlds biggest companies make it to the top without some risk attached. My other big worry is that they have been in charge of the Red Sox for a lot longer than LFC. They have had plenty of time to implement their business model in a system/sport they actually do understand. That is proving to be an unmitigated disaster as well. Hardly encouraging as to their competence is it?
Billy, got told off last night by herself for ranting!! Sure I do want to let it all out and I don't blame anybody for doing it. With apologies to Alfred, lord Tennyson : "Forward, the Red Brigade!" Was there a man dismay'd? Not tho' the soldier knew SOMEONE HAD BLUNDER'D Theirs not to make reply, Theirs not to reason why, Theirs but to do and die: Into the valley of Death Rode the six hundred.
yes they were that is why they are trying to address the problem and Kenny is sat at home with a fat compensation packet to help him struggle by with....its their club..so they are trying to sort out the mess they created..thats called responsibility.
Dipshit; Kenny refused compensation Write one hundred times ; I am a tit and must WUM better in future.
nothing to do with wumming fair enough he refused it...however dont bite the owners head off for trying to make amends and communicate with the fans. listen you stupid sensitive ****er..my point was genuine and i took my mistake back you daft lonely basterd...see we can all be internet hardmen you fuking waste of spunk back to topic......
It all looks very poor with bad decisions and poor judgement in plenty. This will be a difficult season and the problems are there for all to see. The Andy Carroll thing is a joke, how would the last 20 minutes have been yesterday if he was in there among those centre backs? The options are limited now, January is a way off and it looks like a tough Winter ahead.
