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John Henry's open letter to fans

Discussion in 'Liverpool' started by Jimmy Squarefoot, Sep 3, 2012.

  1. Master Yoda

    Master Yoda Well-Known Member

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    Some will be satisfied by this, some will see it as an attempt to pacify the fans.

    The truth is somewhere in the middle, as with most things, I imagine. Certainly it's in Henry's best interests that we do well - more money and a better CV. Or maybe he does care, it's not a hard concept.

    At any rate, they're damned if they do, damned if they don't when it comes to communicating with the fans.

    We're paying for Comolli and Kenny, let's face it.

    Henderson = Cazorla. What's that all about?

    Also, does anyone want to guess WHY they appointed Dalglish? Because of US the fans! There would have been an outcry if they HADN'T HAVE. I get the feeling some people just love criticising everything that happens.
     
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  2. Ekbalco99

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    It really is a geat business model for FSG ... hoarde the cash from any sales , keep hold of sponsorship money , refuse to buy marquee players as they are refuse to be held to ransom for ludicrous over-inflated wage demands ... and use the fair play / finance argument from Plaheir hard eatini as justification for this exercise in parsimony ... a great deal for FSG but certainly not for the supporters that back them week-in week-out with their hard earned cash .... who is zooming who ??? They must think we are mad ..
     
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  3. Jimmy Squarefoot

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    They could have kept the proceeds in their pocket, but they didn't and they decided to reinvest that money so fair play to them.

    No doubt they made mistakes but I think they're learning from them. It will take time and patience is key.

    I believe BR has made some shrewd acquisitions - Allen, Borini, Assaidi, Yesil and Sahin. 5 young players for about £30m who could all potentially slot straight into the first team.

    I know we are all disappointed that we didn't get a striker but on the flip side, it means players like Yesil and Morgan will get more action and they could surprise us just like Sterling.
     
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  4. Jimmy Squarefoot

    Jimmy Squarefoot Well-Known Member

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    This ... <ok>
     
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  6. The artist JerryChristmas

    The artist JerryChristmas "Massive old member"

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    It doesn't really matter to the owners whether we are top 4 or mid-table. We already have the global name which they are trading off right now and have been since day 1. They got us cheap so if we flop they sell us on at a small profit. If we do well they sell us on at a bigger profit. Either way they make their cash back and more.
     
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  7. Master Yoda

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    If they want the big money they need us as high up as possible, if even to make us an attractive prospect.
     
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  8. The artist JerryChristmas

    The artist JerryChristmas "Massive old member"

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    Allen fair enough, Borini as yet looks pretty useless, you haven't even seen Assaidi or Yesil play and Sahin we didn't even buy <ok> feel free to keep the blinkers on a bit longer if you must but when you finally take them off we'll be in a far worse position than right now.
     
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  9. Master Yoda

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    We still paid a fee for Sahin.
     
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  10. The artist JerryChristmas

    The artist JerryChristmas "Massive old member"

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    Sorry mate but just not true. If they can get it on the cheap then obviously they'll reap the rewards. However they bought LFC because it's ALREADY a global brand that had the potential for further market expansion whatever the on pitch results were. They can sell our name to Fox not because of their hard work but because of the years spent building up the club by great men like Shanks, Sir Bob, Big Joe and Dalglish.
     
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    Well whoop de doo <diva> everythings alright then (apologies for such blatant sarcasm)
     
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    i dont think you can attribute the wasted money on kenny's buys on FSG's shoulders....thats down to kenny, clarke and commoli, all of whom are gone now, so they have paid for that failure.

    so far their net spend cant be very high, they played a blinder getting £50m for torres.

    the club is in danger of losing the winning mentality that you had even 4 years ago....and brendan is always playing your chances down of finishing in the top 4 which is sad to see....i'm sure he appealed to the owners in his interview with his 180 page document and talks a good game, but he needs results like any other and although its only 3 games, 2 of which were against top teams, the team lacks goals.

    suarez has it in him.... he is capable of getting 30 PL goals but for me should be playing up front alongside a more out and out striker...
     
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  13. Jimmy Squarefoot

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    True but I did say they could potentially slot into the straight team (didn't say they would instantly look world class) <ok>

    I'll keep the blinkers on until I have given the current squad enough time to show us what they are capable of. 3 games, new manager, new style of play - it will take time. We were up against a team who have played the same style for 10 years, yet they only scored from two mistakes.

    We wanted owners who wouldn't go out and splash cash ala Man City and Chelsea. We have owners who have the right long term thinking to make us sustainable for the future. But now they are being accused of being too tight with their money. We can't have it both ways. Either we spend smartly or we go all out?

    Tony Barrett from the Times said himself that the owners were always prepared to back the manager for young exciting signings. Rodgers was clearly fixated on Dempsey.
     
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  14. Master Yoda

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    They need us as healthy as possible to get prize money, increased sponsorship etc. You can't live on history alone, otherwise Leeds would be swimming in cash, wouldn't they? No, you need exposure, too; and that comes from winning.

    On Sahin, I was just pointing out that you can't say he was free; he wasn't, the loan deal was approx £5M.
     
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    How many clubs could go through what we have gone through recently and come out smelling of roses... We are on our third different owner in a short space of time... 4 different managers in that time... Plus Boardroom changes and back room staff that have all been affected...

    Maybe this time FSG do want to stabilise the club, try and be more effective in the markets and try to fit what they see is a forth coming problem, FFP. The problem is the short term but predicting long term is so hard in this high speed world of Premiership Football...

    Time is what Rodgers looks like getting from these lot, and to be honest they listened to us first and it didnt work. Kenny shouldnt have been kept on after finishing off Roy's regime, but FSG were still learning about our league and fans. Now they have had a little more time they have now moved to try and improve what they see as their plan and move the club forward. We can only back them and see where we will be in little stages...

    I think he had to do something and though looking at this thread it hasnt appeased all fans it has now become a time and trust thing... None of us really want them to bugger off already do we, weve had enough of that recently...
     
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  16. Page_Moss_Kopite

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    So they bring in a manager, they profess to trust his judgement and football philosophy, they give him total control of the entire football side of the club.

    Then they refuse to back his judgement in refusing to sign Dempsey?

    The 'cant have it both ways' either.
     
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  17. Master Yoda

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    Remember there is a man in the middle - Ian Ayre.
     
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  18. Jimmy Squarefoot

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    I agree - I found that very strange as we were led to believe that Rodgers would have full control. This would indicate that he doesn't ...

    I do expect there to be activity in January (or at least I hope so!).

    Not saying the owners are perfect but unless we want rich Arab's throwing money around, then it could be a lot worse.
     
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  19. Dangerously Delicious

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    Think this is on the one hand a nice move from JH, how many other PL chairmen/owners do you see taking the time out to do something like this; on the other hand the fact that he feels the need to release such a statement so early in the season really does show the state we're in as both a football club and a business. I believe that what he (and no doubt his PR team) has written is sincere and comes from a good place and agree with the strategy, just nnnngggghhh, why did last season have to happen! Of course the cynic in me is screaming damage limitation boys, damage limitation. Who the hell really knows what's going on.
     
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  20. carlthejackal

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    You have to give JH some credit to try to explain. My take on the letter and some stuff I conclude from it.

    The owners believe the club have squandered good money in the recent past and they are determined that this should never happen again on their watch. The legacy of Commolli and Dalglish is such that the owners cannot trust the manager to use the money well.

    They feel Dempsey is not worth more than £3m and therefore were prepared to let him go elsewhere.

    I think they do not realise the seriousness of the striker problem. Has anyone with any authority and knowledge explain to them how we have last season dominated games only to draw or lose them because we didn't have the firepower to put the ball in the net? Has anyone explain to them that hitting the posts and xbar a record number of times is not something to be proud of but simply a symptom of how bad we have been in front of goal?

    It is about seeing the wood for the trees. In sticking to his new policy of strict value for money, is JH not simply putting the future of the club at risk? Being mid table and out of Europe this season and the next (a serious risk) will have severe implications for the future. Did spending 2-3 million pounds extra to get Dempsey, a player that Rodgers was desperate to get, not worth taking a "gamble" on?
     
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