I'm pretty sure the owners are smart enough to know that a one-off payment of £60 million for Suarez is stupid compared to the consistent money we can obtain by qualifying for the Champions League every season, something that will be much more achievable with Luis Suarez in the team. Also, bear in mind that hasn't even happened! YOU ARE MOANING ABOUT A HYPOTHETICAL SITUATION THAT IS UNLIKELY TO OCCUR. How on earth is that a reason to lose faith in FSG!? Because you think something might happen? What you seem to forget is that we both want the same things. We want success for the club we support. The owners also want success because they can then profit more financially. Why is that a problem?
I'd take £60m but I think Bluff's question of where that income would go is the right area of concern
From what we've seen so far I believe it would go back into the squad rather than Henry's backpockets as some people on this forum seem to believe. They seem to be very keen on reinvesting money recouped from transfers on new players so far.
We have seen it before, fool me once and all that. My thing is, and the jist of it all, is that yes they are businessmen and yes they view the club to make money ( be successful of course) but you can't let some comments like that fly off the cuff " I haven't been to Liverpool since May" as that can get interpretated badly. As you can see on this board and probably throughout Liverpool, there is probably close to a 50/50 on how FSG are doing, these comments could help skew that into turning on the owners. Once that happens, then it is a long road back.
We have seen it before, fool me once and all that. My thing is, and the jist of it all, is that yes they are businessmen and yes they view the club to make money ( be successful of course) but you can't let some comments like that fly off the cuff " I haven't been to Liverpool since May" as that can get interpretated badly. As you can see on this board and probably throughout Liverpool, there is probably close to a 50/50 on how FSG are doing, these comments could help skew that into turning on the owners. Once that happens, then it is a long road back.
I tend to lean more towards this but I just wish we had Newcastles scouts as some of the investment has been way overspent and overpriced! What Newcastle did with that Carroll money was unreal and probably very lucky that all the signings worked out like they did but that is also in part to some terrific men in the right positions.
I tend to lean more towards this but I just wish we had Newcastles scouts as some of the investment has been way overspent and overpriced! What Newcastle did with that Carroll money was unreal and probably very lucky that all the signings worked out like they did but that is also in part to some terrific men in the right positions.
But I suppose that's up to Brendan, all the owners can do is give him the money for his targets. We don't have Roman 'future Chelsea Manager' Abramovich as our owner thank the lord.
Not sure to be honest. I do quite like the guy but i'm not sure if he can produce the cash we need. Seems as they got us out the **** they got time in my opinion.
I have to admit I'm surprised at everyone's distrust of FSG. They've been open about their role at the club from day one. We are an investment. We will one day be sold for more money than we were purchased for. But that profit has to come from somewhere. To get there, they have to rebuild us. Make us competitive for the future, for a long time. They have to restructure our finances, erase our debt, and start the redevelopment of Anfield. They have to buy young, prospective talents who will come good and drive the team on for years. And when they do sell us, we'll be in a fantastic position. We will have no debt, a competitive squad, and a refurbished stadium. What else do we want? The debt has been cleared. We were 24 hours away from a Rangers-like fate at one point, and FSG saved us. If everything else fails on the pitch, I'll be grateful for that. You may say it's a business strategy, but it involved a great deal of risk that they took upon themselves. We're in the clear. We have no debts, other than the 30m we owe to John Henry (essentially ourselves). We've appointed a young manager (despite his stubbornness, he does play attacking football with youngsters, and that is worth something) and bought young players. They've spent 150 or so million on player transfers in 2 years. 75 of that has been direct investment (adjusting for Torres). Slowly we are moving in the right direction. You can argue that a) the transfer money was wasted, and b) that we "recouped it from wages." a) Damien Comolli's duties as a Director of Football included asking Kenny for targets, and giving Ayre/Werner an approximation of the players worth. He failed. He was sacked. It's his fault we overspent. Looking back, Henderson has come good (not yet justified his 12m + add-on fees). Carroll was purchased in a strange deal involving no loss of money on our part. Suarez has been a fantastic signing, one of the best players to ever play for the club. The wasted figures - Carroll (who was playing better until the transfer fiasco), Downing (mistake), and Adam are either gone or on the verge of going. b) Wages are not a windfall. Saving 80k on wages does not give you 80k to spend. It means you wont have to spend money in the first place. It isn't a gain from 0 pounds received to 80 pounds received. It's from -80 to 0. Wages are a huge millstone around every clubs neck. Lightening that load isn't a way to find spending money. Other sources must be used, not the wage kitty. In terms of FSG's commercial involvement? Well we've signed a fantastic sponsorship deal for many years to come in most aspects of the club. They've been honest and that's very refreshing. Their only mistakes have been football related ones, which can be excused when you realise they've never been involved in the sport before, and have been advised by people that were highly regarded. Ian Ayre was responsible for the deadline day mess, because he hired scouts who were contractually obliged not to help until winter. They've learned from their mistakes. We aren't overspending on players anymore or wages. When they do leave, we'll be healthier for it. That's all that matters for me. I don't need a Kenwright at the club. He loves their club, he'd do anything for it, but he's skint. Their club (while overachieving thanks to Moyes' wise purchases) isn't in a healthy financial situation. I'd rather be in our position, with all due respect for our blue neighbours.
Newcastle's scouts aren't super smart people who find players no one's heard of. They get far too much credit imo. We looked heavily at Sissoko two summers ago, other clubs looked at Ben Arfa, plenty declined Ba, etc etc. You could say our owners are stupid for not taking a gamble on a 3million midfielder, but then again, look at how crap the mags are doing this year anyway. Clearly their transfers aren't too brilliant, same as their scouts aren't closet geniuses. Blind luck coupled with risk taking on players other clubs decline. We just need smarter people running the club and handling negotiations.
The **** was a **** over the Suarez business. ****. I won't forget, even if he does decorate Anfield with a new coat of paint and instal the odd executive box. ****.
