With respects to you, we got to value a player on the cost of replacing him with the same standard or better, that would mean a player probably valued closer to £10m. And of course the club coming in has got a fight on their hands if a team wants to keep a player, the club selling holds all the cards in this. And besides all this going back and fore, I have yet to see anything that would indicate that Allen would like to leave his boyhood club, he I feel is here to stay as long as possible.
With respect if swansea had a bid for Allen and turned it down i can gaurantee you his agent would be in the press within 5 minutes trying to turn the screw, i admire your faith in beleiving that Allen would want to stay at swansea, beleive me Allen would be out of swansea first chance he got, while he is at swansea he may well love the club, but his ambitions are at a bigger club and as much as he says he loves it at swansea if a better offer comes along he will be gone. Think back to Leon Britton 2 years ago
Valleyswan footballers only think of themselves, its the nature of professional footballers these days. and joe Allen is no different to any other footballer
But before a club can even talk to him the swans have got to agree to it, that would mean an offer coming in that is a lot higher than the quoted £5m you have said, I would think the clause in his new contract would be for figure of about £10m for a release to come into power. And I seem to remember at the start of last season that Jenkins saying that no player that we want to keep will go on the cheap. As for Allen himself, I think you are being a bit cynical with this, if siggy comes to us his wages will be within the framework of our club, the same as the players already with us, its not all about money, some players can see what the club is like, they can see its a special place, why do you think Leon wanted back, he could have gone elsewhere.
One of my favourite moments of this season was watching Allen snatch the ball off Ramsey in the final third before playing a beautiful through ball to Dyer for our 2nd goal against Arsenal. I wouldn't sell Allen to be honest. We've got the advantage that he's a local lad. His mates and family all live in South West Wales. I don't get the feeling that he wants to leave, at least not yet. The club is still on an upward spiral at the moment. There will come a time when we'll have a bad season, or our development will level out and the club will 'hit the ceiling', so to speak. I'd expect certain players to move on then. We won't keep improving every single season, and the players will know and feel when the club is stagnating. We'll see the majority of our squad rotate when that happens.
You are generalising all players with the same brush, not everyone is the same, people have different things in life that are important to them, I believe that whilst Joe Allen is a very good player, now is not the time for him to leave us, he has another season or two with us before any move will be considered.
valleyswan what jenkins wants and how it turns out are sometimes very different things, a players agent holds the power these days neil taylor used the newcastle interest last year to get a bigger contract and forced jenkins hand, brendan would rather move an unhappy player on than upset the group, its the greed culture in football, rangel had a tantrum 3 years ago because the swans told fulham to do one, a week later rangel is in love with swansea city again, after signing a bigger contract, footballers tell the fans what they want to hear, whatever club they are at the time is the club they love, de vries was telling wolves fans he loved wolves and the fans if he moves to say southampton for example he will tell them the same.
Can you show me where you think Joe Allen is unhappy then ? He looks a very happy chappy when I see him. But we are going in circles here, you think his value is £5m which is fair enough, I happen to think its a lot higher, which is also fair enough as its my opinion. Yes players have powers, but so does the club who holds their contracts.
In today's market, Allen is worth a lot more than £5million. In my mind, he's probably worth about £5million. But unfortunately, my mind does not dictate the market prices. If anyone wants to buy Allen, they have to pay £10million and upwards. Why? Because Liverpool hiked up prices by paying over £50million for Carroll and Henderson. Does it make it right? Of course not. But if you want to buy something these days, you have to pay the going rate. Unfortunately, second hand players on gumtree and eBay haven't really kicked off yet... but then again, where else could QPR have found Keiron Dyer??
Valleyswan i was listening to Joe giving an interveiw on being picked for Wales and he was going on about his love for the red shirt and what it meant to him to play for Wales the country of his birth. Now fast forward to this summer. The FAW have asked Welsh players not to put themselves forward for the English FA olympic football team. Because of the risk to our independance as a footballing nation. Now joe has put himself forward and it is reported that he will get in that squad, now considering that Joe has put on record how much playing for Wales means to him and how proud he was to play for our nation, yet he is more interested in furthering his own ambitions with the english fa and playing in the olympics than he is about ensuring Wales remains an independant footballing nation. do you see where this is going, on one hand he is waxing lyrical about playing for Wales and then on the other hand Wales come second to his own ambitions. in short fu*k Wales i want to be an olympian. and if a bigger club did come in it would be fu*k swansea i want to be a premiership superstar, its football and how todays footballer thinks
When you're using International Football as an example for a Club Football debate, you know that you're clutching at straws! There have been assurances that Team GB will not harm the home nations. Don't forget, if they did combine the home nations, it would be called Britain. Even England would lose their team. It just won't happen.
Vallyswan joe is probably happy now, but if a bigger club comes in for him his agent will drive things forward and will be encouraging him to ask for the move this is what they are paid to do, that is when joes attitude would change at the minute there are no move afoot for allen, but if a bigger club comes in expect that to change, as much as leon britton said he loved swansea, i can tell you that he was engineering a move from swansea a year before he left us for sheff utd
I'm going to get so much stick for that comment, but I don't really mind. In 20 years time, when Wales are in the top 10 in the world rankings and Team GB have won 5 gold medals at the Olympics, I'll come back on here and say "Told you so!".
kidderz those assurances are not worth a light, england would suffocate the other 3 fa's without doubt, and i use the international example to show how it is their own self interest that is central to them.
kidderz if concacaf have their way there will be no Wales at footballs top table, and it wont take 20 years either, so why help them to do it, lets hope then that i am not on here telling you well i did tell you, but you would not listen Trust FIFA at your peril.
Mabon, there wouldn't be any other FA's. It would be a 'British FA' that would govern the international side and all disciplinary matters across all 4 home nations. Wales, England, Scotland and Northern Ireland would be seen as 'regions' and I'd guess that all the leagues would be forced to join together. If GB was seen as one country by FIFA, you'd surely have to have one league system. You couldn't have teams in Scotland (who are actually in the same 'country' as teams from England, Wales and Northern Ireland) that will never have the opportunity to play teams from the same 'country'. There's an ancient football infrastructure in Britain that would need serious uprooting and changing if the four home nations were disbanded. It's not worth FIFA's time or effort when they seem to be focusing on improving football in developing countries.
Since Martinez & Scotland left , who else has left that hasn't come back ... Pratley & De Vries .... in over 3 years !! Players that are at Swansea , want to stay
kidderz you are correct in the last post in the way a uk football association would be structured, this is all about power within fifa, at the moment Wales,Scotlan N ireland and the english have 4 votes on the law making committees at fifa, they hold a lot of power within fifa, concacaf want a share of that power and they would be overjoyed for the 4 home nations to become 1, they may promise that we are safe under their assurances now, but there is no assurance that this will not change in the future, FIFA have not and will not give that assurance in writing, because FIFA and sepp blatter knows that if the next FIFA president comes from africa or the carribean that is exactly what will happen and their assurances will be worth jack ****. Do we really want a british fa, i certainly dont
To be fair breezy who has come in for our players, those that have left have gone for better money, like with all things if a club offers a footballer bigger money they will move on. newcastle wanted taylor had swansea not given him a bigger contract he would have gone to newcastle, britton left swansea for bigger money, one of brittons biggest reasons for coming back was he could not settle in sheffield and did not get used to their style of play hoofball did not suit him, and he realised how much he missed his life back in swansea, he lives in a very nice part of the world,
I can see where you're coming from, Mabon. A change of President could see wholesale changes in world football. Personally, I don't agree with the home nations holding 4 of the 8 votes at FIFA. Seems a little lopsided and unfair on world football as a whole. But I want to add that I do not want to see Wales, or any other current footballing nation, deleted from international football. It makes no sense to erase anyone. I don't want to hijack this thread with this. One of us will be right when the dust has settled. I don't think that a couple of players playing for Team GB is going to affect Wales that much. I actually feel like it will have a positive effect with players gaining international experience that they wouldn't gain with Wales at this stage of their careers. However, I could be wrong... and I give you permission to slate me if it ever goes bottoms up! But I'll be just as gutted as you if does come to that...
