Off Topic Jeremy Corbyn

[BBFs Unpopular View]

What do ye all think of him in the UK?

The media are trying to make him look like a lunatic as are the neoliberal infested labour elements.

I don't know much about him, but when the media start making people look "nuts" that usually means the establishment are not fond of his ideology and\or planned policies.

 

[Tobes]

He's a fossil, who'd take Labour back to the dark ages.

 

[BBFs Unpopular View]

He's a fossil, who'd take Labour back to the dark ages.

I get that jist from the media alright. Dunno if it is true.

Labour are already back in the dark ages mate

 

[organic red]

I get that jist from the media alright. Dunno if it is true.

Labour are already back in the dark ages mate

This ^^

 

[BBFs Unpopular View]

From what I read, his ideas about bailing out the people instead of bailing out the banks is not going down well with the establishment

 

[Tobes]

I get that jist from the media alright. Dunno if it is true.

Labour are already back in the dark ages mate

Labour aren't in the dark ages, their failure at the last election was down to Milliband being seen as a wet lettuce and their inability to down the Tory lies about the cause of the economic downturn and public spending increases.

Corbyn is advocating a return to nationalisation, he'd make Labour totally unelectable as he'd frighten the middle ground to death, and it's the middle ground that Labour has to win back.

 

[Treble]

Just for the sake of some real variety in mainstream politics I would quite like to see him. Whether ppl vote for him or not is all part of a real democracy. BUT at least we'll have a REAL choice instead of this pastiche of bland lukewarm sick we get offered every 5 years.

But just bcos he doesnt look electable he's being villified. And that my friends is what's wrong with politics today.

 

[Tobes]

From what I read, his ideas about bailing out the people instead of bailing out the banks is not going down well with the establishment

That's nothing more than a populist soundbite

The decision to bail out the banks was one that simply had to be taken, if they'd have watched them collapse then our economy would have been completely ****ed.

 

[Jimmy Squarefoot]

I'm a big fan of Corbyn and his ideals - but as Tobes says, he'll divide the party even further and Labour simply won't win with him as leader.

 

[Tobes]

Just for the sake of some real variety in mainstream politics I would quite like to see him. Whether ppl vote for him or not is all part of a real democracy. BUT at least we'll have a REAL choice instead of this pastiche of bland lukewarm sick we get offered every 5 years.

Whilst I agree that Labour need to come up with a strategy and set of policies that differentiate them from the Tories. Equally, they can't swing wildly to the left, as that would make them unelectable.

 

[Treble]

Whilst I agree that Labour need to come up with a strategy and set of policies that differentiate them from the Tories. Equally, they can't swing wildly to the left, as that would make them unelectable.

The thing is, I wonder how wild he would be. A lot of the negative stuff about him seems to be part of a witch hunt by the labour and media establishment.

I'm also very uncomfortable about placing so much weight on "electibility". That usually means having slick, polished performers who are just jostling for the centre ground. I'm getting sick and tired of this. Style over substance.

Also when Margaret Thatcher was asked what she regarded as her greatest achievement, she is said to have replied: “New Labour”. Doesnt that grate on ppl? Isnt that not just a damning indictment of Labour but also British politics and the choice we have.

Ask yourselves this, is Jeremy Corbyn closer to John Smith or Tony Blair? And which would you prefer?

 

[BBFs Unpopular View]

Labour aren't in the dark ages, their failure at the last election was down to Milliband being seen as a wet lettuce and their inability to down the Tory lies about the cause of the economic downturn and public spending increases.

Corbyn is advocating a return to nationalisation, he'd make Labour totally unelectable as he'd frighten the middle ground to death, and it's the middle ground that Labour has to win back.

I can see your points alright.

The other option is everything put into the hands of corporations and the laws international.. with secret courts that rule in favour of corporations 95% of the time with judges having strong likes to the very corporations they are judging. TTIP is the final one way nail in that coffin. Some middle ground is needed I suppose

I am in favour of a state retaining assets, but dismayed by how these assets are run by the state unfortunately. Running state assets at a profit reduces the burden on the tax payer.

But then I see how these things are run here in Finland. Healthcare is absolutely fantastic. Public transport ditto, electricity much cheaper. Education totally free. Finland has a fraction of the UK economic capacity and things are this good for society, makes you wonder.

So I gather Corbyn is extreme when considered next to the Tories or a Blair\Brown government.

Things are not working though, maybe a change is needed, neoliberalism is a failure. You paying for the banks is a perfect example of neoliberalism and where it has got us to. It tells us that letting risk taking banks fail is bad that we should give them money.
Become financially powerful enough and the government says you are "too big to fail".

 

[DirtyFrank]

From what I've seen he's at least straight talking and clear about his policies ..they're garbage and lunacy but at least he's clear about them lol ...

Although I find it laughable that he's being contrasted as the alternative to career politicians....

 

[Poolliver LallanaDelRey]

What do ye all think of him in the UK?

The media are trying to make him look like a lunatic as are the neoliberal infested labour elements.

I don't know much about him, but when the media start making people look "nuts" that usually means the establishment are not fond of his ideology and\or planned policies.

Actually I quite like him! It would be about time that the left has a true voice! He looks more up Scotland's street too, my only concern would be his view on taxation: although I see the benefits, the SNP do not believe in it. As for the other candidates, I do not believe they are capable in winning back Scotland and therefore would struggle to win an election :/.

If he does get in though, my view won't really matter... All our votes in the south go down a proverbial blue "dark hole" anyways. Having to change where you live in order for your vote to be heard isn't truly democratic as far as I'm concerned.... But I digress.

 

[Tobes]

The thing is, I wonder how wild he would be. A lot of the negative stuff about him seems to be part of a witch hunt by the labour and media establishment.

I'm also very uncomfortable about placing so much weight on "electibility". That usually means having slick, polished performers who are just jostling for the centre ground. I'm getting sick and tired of this. Style over substance.

Also when Margaret Thatcher was asked what she regarded as her greatest achievement, she is said to have replied: “New Labour”. Doesnt that grate on ppl? Isnt that not just a damning indictment of Labour but also British politics and the choice we have.

Ask yourselves this, is Jeremy Corbyn closer to John Smith or Tony Blair? And which would you prefer?

I too detest the style over substance nature of modern politics, but you have to be realistic. As much as we don't like it, it's where we are and to ignore that it's reality is a recipe for political irrelevance for Labour.

Corbyn would be popular with 'old school' Labour voters, but he'd do nothing to attract the voters that Labour need if they're to get back into power. He's therefore the wrong choice - end of.

 

[BBFs Unpopular View]

That's nothing more than a populist soundbite

The decision to bail out the banks was one that simply had to be taken, if they'd have watched them collapse then our economy would have been completely ****ed.

It is in fact not a populist soundbite, next you will be telling me there is no establishment.

 

[Treble]

I too detest the style over substance nature of modern politics, but you have to be realistic. As much as we don't like it, it's where we are and to ignore that it's reality is a recipe for political irrelevance for Labour.

Corbyn would be popular with 'old school' Labour voters, but he'd do nothing to attract the voters that Labour need if they're to get back into power. He's therefore the wrong choice - end of.

I think you may be underestimating the electorate tbh. You'll only really know, when ppl are given an informed choice.

 

[BBFs Unpopular View]

Actually I quite like him! It would be about time that the left has a true voice! He looks more up Scotland's street too, my only concern would be his view on taxation: although I see the benefits, the SNP do not believe in it. As for the other candidates, I do not believe they are capable in winning back Scotland and therefore would struggle to win an election :/.

If he does get in though, my view won't really matter... All our votes in the south go down a proverbial blue "dark hole" anyways. Having to change where you live in order for your vote to be heard isn't truly democratic as far as I'm concerned.... But I digress.

I am not sure on him either way, I like some of what he is saying though the media are doing their best to make him seem nuts.

Any individual in politics who looks to bring in some equality is made appear like a communist looney, it is self preservation by the establishment.

That for me doesn't prove Corbyn is right, it just proves the fear in these cretins that someone might actually make things equal, it's what they fear most.

No way would he be liked by journalism's Eton boys

 

[Tobes]

I think you may be underestimating the electorate tbh. You'll only really know when ppl are given an informed choice.

I'm not.

Kinnock lost the election way back in '92, as when stood in the booth middle England couldn't stomach electing a ginger Welshman, and instead re-elected the worst Govt in modern UK political history.

 

[BBFs Unpopular View]

Accoring to the independent.

Labour fear a "purge of the right" if Corbyn is elected.

There is a "right" in Labour? ****ing right there is, the neoliberal right, stuck up the bankers arses.

Labour stopped being the working man's party 2 decades ago