Operational gap is one thing Frank but look at the operational map, there is no overall operation, there is a mish mash of operations with different goals. Russia is fighting IS, in fact the only effective force fighting them up to this point, the only actual bombing footage showing IS oil operations being smashed is Russian, NATO for two years did nothing, bombed sand amnd without doubt pumped in money and weapons into the region pouring petrol on a fire ffs Turkey was waiting for a chance to shoot down a Russian plane. The Russian shoot down was greenlighted by Erdogan, when shot down the plane was 17 seconds in Turkish airspace. The plane had no air to air defence and was bombing IS targets in Syria. Turkey is also attacking the Kurds who are fighting IS Rebels fighting Assad (and Russia) IS fighting Assad and Russia US or "NATO", fighting IS Turkey fighting Kurds supporing rebes and IS Israel attacking Assad, supporting Rebels\IS (until Russia's planes arrived) Operational gaps? When there's been two years of making this worse by the war mongerers, time to step aside and let the new arrival, who's been tearing **** up, take care of it, it costs us less in lives and money and it is pretty ****ing far away. How about minding out own business, are we ever going to learn our lessons? Pouring more petrol on a fire to blow it out, when talking a country, people, not petrol, burn. France has just signed major arms deals with all hte funders of this extemism, I mean wt ****ing **** Frank. We should stop pretending we care that Assad is in power, not when we turn a blind eye to other far worse situations, there are many thousands of Anne Franks in Gaza, Drones rain death on Africa and the middle east. What happens when there are no more external enemies? The answer is obvious. Look at France, detaining people for two weeks because of their political views to stop them going anywhere during the climate change summit. No crime committed. Use of terrorism laws to quell dissent. I dont think these foreign wars have been worth a fraction of the cost to our liberities freedoms and privacy and rights and the ****ing cost as well as creating religous divide in Europe fast approaching the Crusade times Death by drone, no evidence charge trial or anything, boom. The best thing British forces can do, for Britain's sake, is stay the **** out of it, I could repsect that as I did when Cameron's bomb Syria campaign failed. Logic and reason prevailed, not for long. Cameron wants to turn british blood and taxes into crony profits
No no I know full well many jewish ppl in Israel arent zionist. Lets not forget the woman herself IS jewish as well and that they lived happily side by side with christians and muslims etc pre-Israel. Not condoning what she did. As I said she's done her cause more harm than good.
its one big giant ****ng Mess frank and these are the types of people leading the charge We're ****ed, truly ****ed. These are the nuts sitting on enough nukes to destroy the solar system I despair I really do
It must be just me, I feel like I am going insane, the biggest peace mouthpieces are the biggest suppliers of death on the planet The US tops the charts in sales of weapons to developing nations, while we give the same nations millions in UN funding.. while they buy US ****ing weapons!? Not only do we fuel these fires, but we fawn over the very centres of extremist religion and sell them piles of death dispensing weapons too. We turn our backs when the most gruesome war crimes are committed in our names. And we blame anyone but ourselves when there is consequences, and when I mean consequences I don't mean terror attacks, I mean the willful ignorant march to our own enslavement. Government and technology are a terrible combination, enter the technocracy. Using science and technology to micromanage us. All of these things wouldn't happen if we all actually stood up and said **** off, it's that we don't that it happens. If 30 million people stood up and told blair to **** off, it would have been very hard to go to war in iraq and Afghanistan or bomb Libya and the world would be a better place for it, not perfect, but nothing like what it is now. Around 2 million would be still alive for a start, we think that is not on our heads as much as Blairs? We just let lunatics burn the world and accept it. Eventually when there is no external enemies left, all that apparatus not in use is deployed on you and I, the end of the cold war, all of that spying was turned on us The Cold war ended 85? Mass surveillance began in earnest in 1984 in Britain, just as the cold war ended and that backs my point here, they dont just fire everyone and close it all down, they use it on us. Look at the US, the cops have all the returned Iraq military gear to use against american citizens. I don't see how 'knowing everything you do on the internet' is going to stop terrorism, it is not meant to. That data is meant to tell themeverything they want to know about you as a herd, what you like, hate, fear and trust\mistrust. Knowing you better than most of the people who know you. That information is a powerful tool to manipulate said masses. It has nothing to do with terrorism. All the new laws haven't affected "terrorists" one bit, just you and I. The end results of "terrorism"? Government can kill you at will with unmanned flying machines Can arrest and detain you without any crime being committed Can shut down the media Can strip away all of your privacy Can censor the internet Government Propaganda is legally just and legal to use the media to sell it (look it up). Isn't that what we grew up thinking stalinist Russia and Totalitarian Communist China were all about? We have seen years of news about China putting political activists under house arrest and shrug when it happens in France the US and Britain. People need to slap themselves in the face and wake up. Logic 101, power craves more power, power corrupts, causing more grabs for power, but as we see, they have to create a crisis, and the "solution" is the power grab they wanted. Problem Reaction Solution. They have been doing this to pass all the new laws they want. 40 million Britons forming an active consensus on any political matter, would strip the government of all it's power on any given issue, because to do otherwise would clearly not be serving the people who they work for allegedly, us, and the last facade of democracy would evaporate, they want to avoid this at all costs. THAT is why you are all divided. No consensus except ones you are herded towards, by terrorism, economic fear crime fear and political correctness/ #slaves
Looking like the mass murder of 14 people in California was Islamic terrorism according to CNN and Fox News. Frighteningly it won't be long until something similar happens in the UK, let's hope the bombings that were voted for by parliament takes out as many of the Isil ****s as possible, it won't stop the fundamentalists but it would be nice to know that there's a few less virgins in paradise.
Where did you copy and paste that from? How are the new laws not going affect the fight against terrorism and merely hinder "you and I" exactly?
I write that all out of my own head, as I nearly Always do Tobes. I added half of that post 10 minutes ago cos I had more to point out. You are not readng it obviously. Terrorism is not a "cause" Tobes. Terrorism is a cause as much as a headache is a cause of headaches. < makes no sense just as saying terrorism causes terrorism. To to be more accurate, maybe you should quote the bit you disagree with, to stop me rambling on
Tobes my point is not terrorism, it's the price we are payig for just letting ****s and their backers to do wtf they want with impunity!? All because we are apathetic and divided, we dont all have to love each other Just decide wtf we want for our nation and force those we elect to carry out what we want, that is what a government is meant to be, lol, but with gov money no longer coming from taxes but bank loans, they no longer need to give a **** what you think
Oh and if I copy pasted that Toby.. you should be able to copy any piece of it and find it on google search
You never answered my question? Al Qaeda and now IS have the idea of a Islamic caliphate as their core goal. They have used terrorism to attack the West and will continue to do so. Whilst I don't agree with the decision for the UK to join in with the air strikes on Syria, I do agree with the reasons for the other allies wanting to remove the IS power base in the region. You seemingly want to try and portray the entire issue as an excuse to clamp down on the average Joe's freedom, and an opportunity for the arms trade to fill their boots. Neither of those are at the core of what's going on, it's a ridiculous simplistic application of your own beliefs onto an incredibly complex issue.
Am I being called a 'slave' by someone who slavishly copies and pastes every fruitcake theory out there on every subject under the sun, then often turns around when cornered by facts and logic and says "I'm just posting this stuff as an alternative to the narrative people are told"? I don't agree with the bombing, and I think Cameron and his ilk have shown their true colours as slimey gobshites. What's happening, however, is that we're all lurching about in a crisis-overreaction-crisis-overreaction cycle, and if anyone is trying to claim this is all one big plan from @30 years ago they have a damn sight more faith and belief the capabilities of 'them' to plan the future in a chaotic, dynamic world than I could ever muster. Btw, look up Tinkerbell and the Miners' strike. 'They' have always used anti-espionage facilities to 'win' conflicts with their own citizens, even in the middle of the Cold war. What's changing is the technology and the scope of things. But yes, a 'Sheeperson' I maybe, but I really can't be any more arsed if MI5 and Langley are that bored of tracking Islamafascists intent on blowing up tube trains and devising wizard ways to hang pregnant woman in Paris from harnesses in a false flag conspiracy that they read the utter drivel I read and write on this site and others each day. In fact, it gives me a totally unwarranted glow of self-importance. Admit it - isn't that the ****ing cornerstone of keyboard paranoia?
The following is a famous exchange Gustave Gilbert had with Hermann Göring from his book, the Nuremberg Trials: Göring: Why, of course, the people don't want war. Why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best that he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally, the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Gilbert: There is one difference. In a democracy the people have some say in the matter through their elected representatives, and in the United States only Congress can declare wars. Göring: Oh, that is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country.
He very effectively shifted the allegations about racial persecution and segregation on the US prosecutors by reminding them of the racial situation in southern US states at the time.
It just gets so funny. The US gov is now saying they did not bomb IS oil production for over a year... get this.. "because they did not want to cause environmental damage" With lies like that, they just dont ****in care do they? Russia shows up and kicks ass. NATO was letting IS bring its oil into Turkey through a known 90km gap purposefully left open by NATO and Turkey
