Do you ever read anything others put up. I said boots on the ground using local forces, in particular the Kurds who are the strongest fighters there, backed by the air power of Russia/western countries. There is no way USA/France/Germany/Russia would impose sanctions on rich Arab countries, the London property market would collapse if the Arabs pulled out. You are also forgetting the world want their oil, which is what it is all about anyway.
This can all be summed up by Osbourne STILL re-iterating that the vote against bombing Syria a few years ago was a mistake, and the fact that the right wing media (that now includes the BBC) don't pull him up on one salient fact - we were actually being asked to bomb Assad in support of anyone against him - some of those who have morphed into the ISIS that we are now supposed to be bombing. Point is, by accident or design, that vote stopped us going for a full repeat of Iraq - what has changed? We still have no plan for what happens when we achieve one objective - be it 'smashing Saddam/Assad/ISIS or whatever. Bet there's a plan for certain companies to provide private 'security' and opening up the oilfields again though.
Not as far as I am concerned, but the upper middle classes and champagne socialists would never let it happen
Didnt mean you mate, just the usual jibe, but I was on the money, asking how on earth IS can extract refine and sell oil, the americans know damn well where every oil well on the planet is.
I read what you posted. I never said using troops on the ground there, is it you not reading? "do I ever"? oh snap. Turkey wants to kill the Kurds so no go I said NO boots on the ground. What I suggested would criple IS without any boots going in. IS will melt away, they are paid fighters, when paid fighters see they are losing they **** off sharpish. It's already started ffs. They cant move now due to Russia's airforce, and lack of mobility, against a superior force, is death.
**** me with a 10" rubber dildo....... In the words of Morgan Freeman in Se7en...."For the first time ever, you and I are in total agreement". Bravo Sisu Sure you don't want to ruin it by making this the part where you tell me ISIS are all mutant Lizards bred by Saddam Hussein in his secret underground lair and released upon his death to wreak havoc? Please? It feels too odd agreeing with you
It would be a bad thing for those of us who pumped all our money into the London property market just after the crash and are enjoying this ridiculous wave of increasing property prices
Now THIS is the way to address global issues: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/educatio...roject-until-there-is-peace-in-Palestine.html Tw@t.
Yeh not the best way to win support wfor a worthy cause. Unbelievable for an academic to fail to realise that's NOT how to create a favourable impression on a 13 year old child. That's one less Israeli you'll ever win over. Playing devil's advocate though, imagine Nazi Germany had won and had decided to occupy England and exiled most of us out the country and sectioned the rest off to only Wales and parts of Cornwall. Would you want to help a 13 year old German living in what was someone else's home town? Not saying it's right, but it's no different to how many might respond given the same circumstances.
Many Jewish people - my ex form master being one of them - are not Zionists. I suppose you could make the presumption that adults living there buy into it (but be careful as there were many, many Jews living in Palestine before partition), but a child? Unforgivable. Had a Jewish academic acted this way towards a palestinian or, indeed, Muslim child seeking knowledge I should hope the universe fell upon them. Academic - child seeking knowledge. That's the only thing relevant to this equation. Shame on her.
Shame on her indeed. The irony of her saying "and if you don't start with children where do you start?" when she actually means "I'm going to make a start creating/amplifying divisions while she's still a kid". Principles eh...
I'm afraid that isn't going to happen. We'll be bombing tonight. And in doing so we'll hugely elevate the chances of a terrorist attack here. Why the **** can't those Westminster imbeciles see that?
I'm against the bombing, as I've made clear, but that reasoning is just giving in to Islamafascists. They'll be suicide-bombing the country until we gave them Sharia Law if they thought we could be scared enough. That said. the Labour MP's who were going to vote in favour of the bombing should abstain in principle after Cameron's vile muck-racking. What's with the Pepsi-speak sloganeering, learnt from Crosbie/Murdoch during the election, in connection with this, supposedly important, above-politics debate? The papers spend days ridiculing and demonising Corbyn for not tilting his head enough at the Cenotaph, but not this slime-****-slick ****shaft who is the PM of this country. I'd say he should resign, but Murdoch's got several more like-for-like replacements up his sleeve. It was Labour coalition partners who saved Churchill during a vote of confidence in 1940 when Halifax and some in his own party wanted to deal with the Nazis. Suck on that Cameron, you ****ing public-schoolboy patriot-of-convenience. C#nt.
Agree with your stance on Cameron being a ****ing idiot. I don't think bombing is the way to go, definitely think we should go in there though, something needs to be done. What I agree with mostly in your post is this ****ing ridiculous campaign the media has started against Corbyn, when ever he looks sideways, its plastered all over the ****ing tabloids "Corbyn DID this, Corbyn DIDNT do that". Yet we have David Cameron mud slinging, acting like Donald Trump, because someone doesn't agree with a policy he puts forth, you start name calling. FFS Dave Are we win America now? This name calling BS is a staple of American politics. Pandering to the lowest common denominator amongst the brainless right wing base.
When politicains made what seem like stupid decisions, it is not because they are stupid, they are serving other interests, the interests bombing is beneficial to. namely those that the RAF will go to to replish their bombs, and equipment. The RAF will be also blowing up american british and french supplied or funded equipment in the hands of IS. Double win for the lenders to gov and the weapons makers one recent video there epitomised it perfectly, an Al Nusra fighter with an American missile launcher taking out an enemy owned Ameican hummer. For the people who make all that stuff, and the people who lend to governments to buy that stuff, bombing is quite the logical thing to do. think guys!
I haven't heard one person in the debate show evidence that there is an operational gap in our allies strikes that desperately needs filled by our forces. There is an endless list of countries carrying out air strikes , using the same technology as we are preparing to use. If the allies are calling for specific action by us for operational needs then I may be convinced from a point of degrading Daesh. If it's simply a token of support and not actually needed its silly. An example I heard in the debate was of RAF bomberd being closest to an anti daesh attack on free syrian forces but because it was just across the border we couldnt support. This is illogical since we have alreasy declared war on Daesh in Iraq so a yes vote to enable that kind of action fair enough. As discussed before I support removing Daesh from the face of the planet as they have declared war on anyone that does not believe what they believe: there will be no negotiating with them. This is an utterly separate goal to state or infrasture building in this region which we are to date appalling at and should not attempt.
Not a conspiracy theorist by any stretch of the imagination, but I heard a version of events today suggesting the problems in Syria are down to Saudi Arabia trying to stop Exxon putting a natural gas line through Syria, which will result in massive losses to the Saudi economy. There was also a suggestion of a lot of bribery and lobbying in USA to get them to assist in this endeavour and destabilise the region. Over to you Sisu if you have any more info on this.
