Jenson Vs Lewis

don't feed the hamelot troll.

 

Please mods, I am been followed and bullied in the playground

He has had a couple cans of Stella already

 

Please don't always condemn the driver. The team / chief engineer uses the stats guys to predict out of the alternative 'starts' and later events what is the best outcome. The driver has to run the program as best he can - BUT events have a nasty habit of biting your arse if you are not away into the distance (Vettel).

 

Hahahahahahahaha… Cookin! I think you're funny but I can see how you got your reputation now!

 

Thanks Cosicave

Some would have you think that Lewis alone should have fans who don't speak up

Wrt to the topic, at the risk of offending Button supporters did anyone notice that Buemi, also on a 3 stop strategy finished 10 seconds behind Jenson,

You could argue that he made the strategy work better than Button did when you consider the speed per lap difference of those two cars

Are we allowed to point that out?

 

I'd have to see the lap times for say the last 10, to judge whether JB slowed with worn tyres rather more than Buemi needing to build a reputation?

 

I think that would be a very good argument, and you could make the same argument for Kobayashi although he was on a slightly different three-stop strategy. For whatever reason I think Button was too conservative in the early stage of each stint. I think Buemi and Kobayashi had the advantage of being unfettered and (to a degree, certainly a greater degree than Button) able to go for it at the beginning of each stint. Buemi did shorter stints than Button on his first two sets of options. Also, we're led to believe McLaren intended Button's stints to last even longer than they did so of course he would have been much more conservative than Buemi on his first two stints, which is when Buemi made up most of his places.

That's not an argument against Buemi making a better fist of the three-stop strategy, just an attempt to explain why he did.

 

Buemi and Koayashi would also of had fresh tyres which can be worth 5 or 6 seconds a stint.

 

Buemi actually ran used options for his first three stints and then new primes for his last stint, same as Button. Kobayashi ran new primes followed by three sets of new options, according to Pirelli's tyre stop summary:

Vettel.....: Su Su (11) Su (25) Hn (40) Hn (47) 4
Webber.....: Su Su (10) Sn (21) Hn (35) Hn (45) 4
Alonso.....: Su Su (10) Su (23) Hn (36) Hu (46) 4
Hamilton...: Su Su (09) Su (20) Hn (34) Hn (46) 4
Rosberg....: Su Hn (10) Hn (22) Su (33) Sn (44) 4
Button.....: Su Su (13) Su (26) Hn (39) ....... 3
Heidfeld...: Su Hn (10) Hn (22) Hu (36) Su (46) 4
Petrov.....: Su Hn (08) Hn (19) Hu (34) Su (45) 4
Buemi......: Su Su (09) Su (23) Hn (40) ....... 3
Kobayashi..: Hn Sn (13) Sn (23) Sn (38) ....... 3
Massa......: Su Su (09) Su (23) Hn (34) Hn (46) 4
Schumacher.: Su Su (02) Sn (14) Hn (30) Su (45) 4
Sutil......: Su Sn (10) Hn (25) Su (40) ....... 3
Perez......: Su Hn (01) Sn (16) Su (32) Hn (42) 4
Barrichello: Su Sn (10) Su (24) Hn (40) ....... 3
Alguersuari: Hn Sn (13) Su (29) Su (39) Hn (55) 4
Maldonado..: Su Su (11) Su (25) Hn (41) DT (45) 4
Trulli.....: Sn Sn (13) Su (25) Hn (39) ....... 3
Kovalainen.: Sn Su (15) Hn (31) Hn (53) ....... 3
D’Ambrosio.: Sn Su (16) Hn (33) ....... ....... 2
Karthikeyan: Sn Su (14) Hn (27) Su (45) ....... 3
Liuzzi.....: Sn Su (15) Hn (16) Su (35) Hn (37) 4
Di Resta...: Su Sn (11) Hn (24) Su (32) Hn (44) 4
Glock......: Hn 0

 

OK - so what was the gap between Button and Buemi when the latter came out after the latter's last pitstop?

 

huh.....Glock Seemed to be the least agressive on his tyres...

 

He was fast enough against Lewis, as I recall Button was ahead when the first tyre stops occured. What cost him (Button) was Massa and the DRS advantage Ferrari seem to have. If the DRS activation point was on the start finish straight Button would've got past Massa in one lap, but because it's halfway around the track the ferrari was able to pull out 1+ second gap, by the time they got back to the s/f straight he was right behind again. This pretty much shows the DRS rules as they are now are unfair and give an advantage to certain teams (shock, horror, it turned out to be Ferrari). Although I like the DRS system I don't like the way it's been implemented so far.
I also think it's obvious (to me at least) that if it's a toss up between how many stops is best, then it's best to go for the extra stop and give yourself those fresh tyres. considering how short the pit-lane is in Turkey you have to say Buttons strategy was wrong.

 

Button chose the wrong strategy when he said "f*cking" out loud instead of tweeting and deleting it, like what Hamilton done.

 

People swear. Get over it.

 

Thats good. Try to pretend i'm ignoring the facts while yourself ignoring this.

 

Lewis all the way, he is a legend.

 

Buttons own words;
He did not feel that stopping three times was a mistake in itself, but that McLaren should have run longer early on and made the final stint shorter.

"We didn't leave the tyres long enough," Button suggested. "The tyres were still good at the end of every stint, but we came in.

"We should've stayed out for longer because it made the last stint just impossible, just too many laps."

In simple English easy to understand, Button didn't think the strategy was wrong, he was unable to make it work, ultimately not fast enough, his excuse is that he was trying to look after the tyres expecting longer stints, but was brought in too early so he really should have gone faster

Too early probably as a result of Mclaren trying to release him in fresh air,

Buemi on identical strategy finished only 10 seconds behind him which was an example of making the strategy work extremely well

Do you think Button would not have accepted the strategy in the first place or would not have changed it if it was 'wrong'?

Read what Button says above again

 

Patronising... Really?

I dont see how you linked that quote to his speed. He said he thought that the tyres could have lasted a few more laps. This does not mean that he should have gone faster. just pitted later in order to reduce the amount of laps and wear he suffered in his last stint.He could have gone faster and pitted at the same time, but would have suffered the same problems at the end of the race. Also if you want to use quotes from Jenson try this one

It is also worth noting that the timing of the stops is part of the strategy.

I will admit that i don't know enough about Buemi's race to comment. If you can show me how Buemi had similar traffic and Tyres (would he not have saved a set by going out in Q2?) then this is a good point.

There is a really easy and obvious answer to this. They did not know it was wrong, before it was too late to change it anyway.

 

Surely this has run its course. Please end it.

 

I'd like to see xiggly here, to be honest.