Transfer Rumours Jan 2021 Transfer Thread

[Mckechnie Orange]

You also need a coach that can develop them. Not sure I get that from McCann - Wilks the main case in point.

He's got the ability, but just looks like he's left to do whatever he feels he wants to do. Often leading to poor decision making.

We were spoilt seeing Bowen develop, but once he got game time it was clear to see him grow into a well-rounded player who knew when was the time to take it on himself and when was the time to shoot.
If you count his time at Doncaster too, McCann has had Wilks for 2 and a half years and although he causes problems and gets goals, but he's still making the same mistakes he's always made.

I'm not knocking him/sagging him off, he's a good player and one of our best, even on a bad day. The frustration comes from the fact you can see there is a much better player in there if he was coached right.

I think sometimes we forget just how young Wilks still is. Decision making will get there but not overnight. He's only been with us a year.

I don't see Flores as being brought in as the striker option, more cover for the no 8 /10 or left hand side. I'd like to see a striker too, obviously so will assess the window when it shuts.

 

[Mckechnie Orange]

Same.

Apology accepted. I don't see him as a back up for George, he apparently is to replace Adelakun? I would just like to see KLP situation resolved as that is more pressing IMO.

Same here on KLP but his main position seem to be attacking midfield or wide left. I suppose you just switch Wilks for Hakeeb cover.

We sorely missed George when he was out and it showed starkly in results. Thar won't have gone unnoticed at City.

 

[GLP]

Some of your post may touch on the relationship between Owner,Coach and fans but you've totally failed to factor in that some fans don't find League 1 football worthy of support.We've always had fickle fans as have most Clubs? It's easy and fashionable to blame Allam and McCann for falling fan base because no-one is actually man enough to admit that they won't support at this level ....I've said it before and I'll say it again,if we were back in the Premier League,bums would be back on seats.Yes,there'd still be complaints about the owners(some justified,some not) but they'd be back in their droves.

Not for all. For me personally some of my favourite moments following City were in Division 3 and 4. I used to go to a lot of home and away games. My lack of enthusiasm now is entirely down to the constant drips of **** from the corridors of power. McCann didn’t help last season, he’s the straw that finally broke the back.

 

[Ric Glasgow]

Not for all. For me personally some of my favourite moments following City were in Division 3 and 4. I used to go to a lot of home and away games. My lack of enthusiasm now is entirely down to the constant drips of **** from the corridors of power. McCann didn’t help last season, he’s the straw that finally broke the back.

Hence the reason I said 'some' fan's but maybe you concede that 'some' others have left because they jumped on board when we were at our zenith and have jumped back off now we are not.

 

[originallambrettaman]

Some of your post may touch on the relationship between Owner,Coach and fans but you've totally failed to factor in that some fans don't find League 1 football worthy of support.We've always had fickle fans as have most Clubs? It's easy and fashionable to blame Allam and McCann for falling fan base because no-one is actually man enough to admit that they won't support at this level ....I've said it before and I'll say it again,if we were back in the Premier League,bums would be back on seats.Yes,there'd still be complaints about the owners(some justified,some not) but they'd be back in their droves.

We'd lost 4,000 fans while still in the Premier League and our Championship attendances had more than halved by last season, if you don't think the owners have had the biggest impact on our attendances, then you really haven't been paying attention.

 

[BlackAndAmberGambler]

What about a bid for Max Watters at Crawley. 21 years old, 6 foot and has scored 13 in 15 games so far this season. Coming back from injury but a proven striker in L2. Young enough to improve and make a mark.

 

[Ric Glasgow]

We'd lost 4,000 fans while still in the Premier League and our Championship attendances had more than halved by last season, if you don't think the owners have had the biggest impact on our attendances, then you really haven't been paying attention.

I do wish you'd stop coming across as a condescending/sanctimonious prick but alas it's too much to hope for....

 

[HullPhil]

Fickle supporters we acquired during the boom left as quickly as they'd joined..... The ownership chaos has given them a very convenient, plausible excuse.

I agree with GLP, some of my favourite moments have been in lower leagues. PL was emperor's new clothes for me..... Hated cheering a point and sitting next to half scarf wearers.....

 

[spesupersydera]

Hence the reason I said 'some' fan's but maybe you concede that 'some' others have left because they jumped on board when we were at our zenith and have jumped back off now we are not.

Those people weren't ever fans - they were just tourists. Anyone who went to any of our games at Wembley know this, we were surrounded by tourists, people just there for the day out; they didn't know any of the songs, they didn't join in, they didn't even care who won. These people are no great loss, they aren't 'fickle fans' because they were never fans in the first place.

There are clips on YouTube of City at Hillsborough in 2004, a night match just before Christmas - so many fans there that they had to delay the kick-off TWICE to get them all in, so many fans that they had to open 'the wing' on the Leppings Lane end to fit us all in, something that they hadn't done for years; this is the match that Boaz Myhill still says was the greatest atmosphere he'd ever played in - those fans all knew the songs, they cared who won. The pity is, a lot of those fans who were there that night are no longer going - these are the ones we miss, not the PL tourists.

 

[highpeak tiger]

Each fan/supporter/attendee has their own reason for going and their own reason for not going.
In my experience since 1970, we get a good turn out when we play anything like decent in any given division but a combination of ****ish owners, incompetent management, total failure, appalling and often highly embarrassing results would test the resolve of the stoutest heart, especially when times are hard and cash tight.
It is supposed to be entertainment. We are supposed to enjoy it. It is not meant to be torture.
Like any product for sale, if it's not producing satisfied customers it will not thrive.
Blame fans if you like, but look at our performance over the last four years and ask yourself what entertainment was delivered to paying customers.

 

[Chazz Rheinhold]

Not this again

 

[SW3 Chelsea Tiger]

Those people weren't ever fans - they were just tourists. Anyone who went to any of our games at Wembley know this, we were surrounded by tourists, people just there for the day out; they didn't know any of the songs, they didn't join in, they didn't even care who won. These people are no great loss, they aren't 'fickle fans' because they were never fans in the first place.

There are clips on YouTube of City at Hillsborough in 2004, a night match just before Christmas - so many fans there that they had to delay the kick-off TWICE to get them all in, so many fans that they had to open 'the wing' on the Leppings Lane end to fit us all in, something that they hadn't done for years; this is the match that Boaz Myhill still says was the greatest atmosphere he'd ever played in - those fans all knew the songs, they cared who won. The pity is, a lot of those fans who were there that night are no longer going - these are the ones we miss, not the PL tourists.

A “fickle fan” is still a fan, not a tourist. Are we back into how to correctly identify a super fan again? Must have been to every game for 40 years including Torquay away when the crowd was 450.

I honestly get understand these definitions / heirachy of fandom

 

[spesupersydera]

A “fickle fan” is still a fan, not a tourist. Are we back into how to correctly identify a super fan again? Must have been to every game for 40 years including Torquay away when the crowd was 450.

I honestly get understand these definitions / heirachy of fandom

This isn't about being a superfan, I'm no superfan but to say we didn't have tourists is farcical. We had people at Wembley and PL games who weren't there to see us as much as the opposition, thats a FACT - the area of plant that I worked on in Scunthorpe had 23 season passes and 2 Hull City supporters - were those other 21 Hull City fans? How many more were they?

 

[kingstontiger]

I think sometimes we forget just how young Wilks still is. Decision making will get there but not overnight. He's only been with us a year.

I don't see Flores as being brought in as the striker option, more cover for the no 8 /10 or left hand side. I'd like to see a striker too, obviously so will assess the window when it shuts.

I agree Wilks has only been here a year but I think the previous poster's point that he has worked with McCann for over 2 years was still valid, and I must admit I don't see much evidence of his (awful) decision making improving over the course of a year. He seems to me to have as much potential as KLP, except he just doesn't seem as bright on a football pitch. Maybe that will be his limit but as you say he's only 21 so you'd like to think the faults aren't ingrained.
I can't ever remember a City player who I have so wanted to replay a game to on video, and freeze frame regularly to make him aware of the choices he had if only he'd looked up!

 

[Evington]

Agree with all of the above. Some of our fans need a reality check. The club have no cash coming in except loans or hand outs from the FL, which I doubt will pay the every day bills, plus the payments still to come in from previous transfer deals.
I wouldn't like to be signing my name on the cheques no matter how much money I had during times like these.
On top of that there is the pressure of signing more players, and we read on here that 'so@so' is a cheap deal. Nothing is cheap. Even a straight forward medical costs. Players want housing, etc etc,....
These are difficult times and fans will cancel their membership's, also fans are unwilling even to part with a tenner to buy the stream back service. Then the same fans expect the club to be shelling out to bring more players in. Some talk as though ' a couple of million for so @ so' is found down the back of the sofa. It isn't.
Clubs at our level are skint and peoples jobs are not safe because there is not enough money coming in because of the current pandemic and there is no end to it.
If we manage to get any player in it will be the result of a lot of wheeling and dealing, a lot of decision making.
We are only weeks away from a full year without any income from gate money and all that goes with it. A full year on top of a relegation and all the reduced income that brings.

We have millionaire owners. They should be spending like there is no tomorrow to get us back to where we were before they ****ed up .

 

[TIGERSCAVE]

I think sometimes we forget just how young Wilks still is. Decision making will get there but not overnight. He's only been with us a year.

I don't see Flores as being brought in as the striker option, more cover for the no 8 /10 or left hand side. I'd like to see a striker too, obviously so will assess the window when it shuts.

The trouble with that is, that McCant has worked with him for about 3 years, here and at Doncaster. Until the lad is pulled aside by someone who has been there, done and got the shirt, he will not change. McCant has not got the best out of him in this time and frankly that won't change.

Apologies if this is a duplicated point from earlier.

 

[Evington]

Hence the reason I said 'some' fan's but maybe you concede that 'some' others have left because they jumped on board when we were at our zenith and have jumped back off now we are not.

They were fans NOT supporters, and do you not believe every club has them?

 

[Top_Tiger]

Those people weren't ever fans - they were just tourists. Anyone who went to any of our games at Wembley know this, we were surrounded by tourists, people just there for the day out; they didn't know any of the songs, they didn't join in, they didn't even care who won. These people are no great loss, they aren't 'fickle fans' because they were never fans in the first place.

There are clips on YouTube of City at Hillsborough in 2004, a night match just before Christmas - so many fans there that they had to delay the kick-off TWICE to get them all in, so many fans that they had to open 'the wing' on the Leppings Lane end to fit us all in, something that they hadn't done for years; this is the match that Boaz Myhill still says was the greatest atmosphere he'd ever played in - those fans all knew the songs, they cared who won. The pity is, a lot of those fans who were there that night are no longer going - these are the ones we miss, not the PL tourists.

What a night this was. Unbelievable. Wednesday made it pay on the gate, they didn’t realise there would be about 6000-7000 City fans going. They announced the crowd at 28k that night. I assure you it was much much more.

 

[GLP]

Hence the reason I said 'some' fan's but maybe you concede that 'some' others have left because they jumped on board when we were at our zenith and have jumped back off now we are not.

We had sell out attendances in the Championship. Sometimes it takes a golden egg like getting into the PL to attract new supporters. To keep them you have to engage with them and work with them, not as our owners have done which is alienate them at every opportunity. As I have said previously I’m involved in grass roots football - 3-4 years ago over half the 25 players we coach on a Saturday morning would have a City kit on of some description. Now there’s one. It’s a crying shame - but that blame lies on the doorstep of two people.

 

[Ric Glasgow]

They were fans NOT supporters, and do you not believe every club has them?

"We've always had fickle fans as have most clubs".That's in the post.