Jack Payne

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Has Jack Payne played his last competive game for the Gills. We shall see on saturday as he has already played in the f a cup so has already been cup tied.With the failure to sign Wright he should be in the team. I hope he still plays and makes Allen accept we need him. He is the sort of player who will do well in league one if we go up.
Hopefully Essam will also get his first start under Allen.
 
I expect he will get a run out in the reserves on Tuesday against Wimbledon but after that who knows ? Let us see what side of the bed mr Allen gets out of this week.
 
I have two horses. One is a little younger and smaller in size than the other. The smaller horse has proved to be good - with the potential to become a race winner. The other, larger horse is much more unpredictable in its performance, and at times seems to be wearing the wrong shoes ! If I am looking for all round ability and consistency I should always use the smaller of these horses.

edit ( I don't own any horses )
 
fine example always :emoticon-0105-wink:


edit (i'm sure payne & montrose will love being compared to cart horses)

are you saying that martin allen is feeding them to much straw and carrots for punishment...hence loss of form for one <laugh>
 
The reason he is unlikely to be played, is as he has been listed, then (a) he might not play as well as he should and (b) he might get injured and scupper any deal in January when we will be looking for a fee.
 
on a serious note, I really don't see us getting anywhere near what we thought we would have about three months ago for jack payne in terms of value now.
it's a shame martin allen had to go public so early and it may well have an effect on the team after all things Gillingham fc looked so togeather behind the scenes previously !
 
Have to agree with you gills4everandaday I am afraid that Martin Allen's love of the media limelight is always going to cause issues like this.
 
gills4everandaday said:
fine example always :emoticon-0105-wink:


edit (i'm sure payne & montrose will love being compared to cart horses)
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Did I mention any names of my horses ? - I wouldn't want to upset anybody still willing to back a pony ( which may not have even one trick !)

gills4everandaday said:
on a serious note, I really don't see us getting anywhere near what we thought we would have about three months ago for jack payne in terms of value now.
it's a shame martin allen had to go public so early and it may well have an effect on the team after all things Gillingham fc looked so together behind the scenes previously !
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The announcement about Payne was a monumental error on the part of the Club. It surely wll have the effect of slashing the fee that we might have otherwise expected. IF we can't re-sign Wright in January, we may become short of decent midfielders ( especially if Charlie Lee picks up a couple more needless yellow cards ) - then MA may have to play Jack Payne - who ( as another member reminded us a few days ago ) - was lavishly praised by MA a few weeks ago......
Oh well - a lot of people insist on keeping their nice cars on the road in all weather, whilst hoarding junk in their garages.
 
Always. I saw that small horse of yours the other day and the vet says there is no escaping the fact that it is lame and he will put it down at the first opportunity. It is unusual for a horse so young to be so lame but it is irreversible and it would be quite wrong to sell it on. The vet took a look at that big horse of yours and said it was ideal for purpose and that the only problem is you (I think he means get some new specs, think yourself lucky and do not be so snobbish), just because your big horse looks like a carthorse it is going to do a good job and win lots of races.
 
bristol407 said:
Always. I saw that small horse of yours the other day and the vet says there is no escaping the fact that it is lame and he will put it down at the first opportunity. It is unusual for a horse so young to be so lame but it is irreversible and it would be quite wrong to sell it on. The vet took a look at that big horse of yours and said it was ideal for purpose and that the only problem is you (I think he means get some new specs, think yourself lucky and do not be so snobbish), just because your big horse looks like a carthorse it is going to do a good job and win lots of races.
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The only race my larger horse will win are a few donkey derbies - it will never last the pace of a Grand National.
 
My advice to you is to collect as many donkey derby trophies as you can because that big horse has got fine fetlocks and scares the living daylights out of the competition. As for the small horse I do commiserate because when it was a foal I thought it was really going to do the business. I would not recommend entering any more selling stakes, you just have to accept that it is lame. If you really want to be kind send it to stud.
 
bristol407 said:
My advice to you is to collect as many donkey derby trophies as you can because that big horse has got fine fetlocks and scares the living daylights out of the competition. As for the small horse I do commiserate because when it was a foal I thought it was really going to do the business. I would not recommend entering any more selling stakes, you just have to accept that it is lame. If you really want to be kind send it to stud.
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does it deserve the stud, it's no frankel i'm afraid.

give it a chance...just look at how seabiscuit turned it around :emoticon-0106-cryin
 
I'm not saying that the larger of the two horses is no better than a beach donkey - or ready for the knackers yard - to be turned into glue - but for its' size it does seem, (too many times) to be performing as a gelding.
 
gills4everandaday said:
on a serious note, I really don't see us getting anywhere near what we thought we would have about three months ago for jack payne in terms of value now.
it's a shame martin allen had to go public so early and it may well have an effect on the team after all things Gillingham fc looked so togeather behind the scenes previously !
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Sorry, I don't agree with this.
Martin Allen has been in and around football all his 40-odd years. He is definitely no mug.

It would indeed be extraordinary if he had a prized asset and then simply told the world "he's not good enough for us, we're getting rid!". Does anyone seriously think Paul Scally would watch his manager publicly devalue a promising player worth top money, without some reasoning behind it?

I will be astounded if we don't get a very good sum for him in January (or next summer if we miss a deadline :smile: )
I think this because I suspect we already have a deal pretty much tied up. Either that, or we have had serious enquiries from more than 1 club, and we (MA, PS & Hess) wants a bidding war.

I also think this is why Jack Payne isn't being played at the moment. We (or a purchasing club) don't want him crocked before January).

The only thing that has hampered us is the non-arrival of David Wright. I'd imagine MA is fuming at whichever club was responsible. He might now just have to play Jack Payne for a few matches up to Xmas, or he might decide to stick with the 'safer' option of Lewis Montrose.

If my reasoning is wrong on this, then I can only assume MA has listed Jack because of some conflict ie Jack doesn't want to be 'rotated' or some similar reason, and that MA wants to show his authority to the squad.

I certainly hope my first hypothesis is correct.
 
Sir Keefy - a very interesting post and partly why I have avoided the topic. Because where the real debate begins, which is the right and wrong hypothesis?
 
sorry sirkeefy i didn't say anything what so ever about jack payne not being good enough, infact i'd say he's one of our better players we have at the club and feel martin allen not playing him is a criminal act...as such !
if you believe keefy that there is nothing more within jack being made available than now starting a bidding war then that's something I don't agree with you on totally.
available & not playing are more to do with my comment than anything else and that if martin allen is going to come out just before the loan window closes and makes him available whilst not playing him at all, then there is more to it...rather than keep him amongst the team whilst performing well, we now have a player in which teams will not bid big money due to him being out in the cold and not playing games for the last couple of months...should clubs come calling ???

martin allen should of kept this in house and not made it public...even though some fans prefer to know whats happening at the club (not in this case !)

just feel we have some unrest in camp now (payne & kedwell) and also feel payne is needed more than Montrose.

to say it's more about a bidding war rather than martin allen playing his wildcard early and getting it totally wrong, makes me think it's backfired on allen and our results for xmas period and previous month of matches are going to be mixed.

due to the managers actions with jack payne i now feel there is a lot less financial gain to be had now than at the beginning of the season...though we don't know all the facts regards jack payne being out in the cold.
 
gills4eva...etc (:) ) . I'm not having a pop or anything. I should have made myself clearer in my first reply.

The only bit I don't agree with (in your original post) is that MA has just devalued Jack Payne and that we won't get much for him now.

I can't believe Martin Allen would just publicly list Jack and say he's better off elsewhere, without there being a very good reason. If he has listed him purely because he "wants rid" then he would have to be a very stupid manager indeed.

And if this were the case, I'd have thought Paul Scally (who also seems to hold his own money in very high esteem) would have told him in no uncertain terms to pull his head in, wait till January and sell Jack for a motza, like we were always going to do.

This is why I reckon there is a lot more to this than we all know. Either a very bad falling out (bad enough for the club to not bother about losing a lot of money in transfer fees), or my preferred theory of an already done deal (or close to it).

Anyway, time will tell. It all depends what we believe is a good fee for Jack, and if we get it or not.
 
Allen said Payne has done nothing wrong and fit so why was he not in the squad again?
 
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