As usual the truth is somewhere in the middle. Buy a decent striker and bring back Origi (sp) AND buy a proper defensive midfielder. Give your new signings another season (and I include Moreno and Lovren in that). Just bcos players have a poor first season doesnt mean they wont go on to be quality. Henderson is a good example of that. And from what I've seen of Markovich and Can, the same applies. I think some of you are being harsh. Rodgers has a wealth of experience from his time as an understudy at some of the best clubs in the world. He just needs to adapt on his own rather than being forced to by circumstance. BUT if you strengthen in the right place, have a good start to the season, then he'll have the breathing space to do just that. Give him that season at least.
it works for utd.... their manager stopped trying to make cbs play cm, lbs play cm, cm's play no 10, lb's play cb and picked thier players i ntheir best positions. rooney up front mata no 10 herrera at cm (still a bit average but strikes it well) carrick back in blind... jones, smalling... 4 at back result they win 5 in a row and are assured of 4th all but. football sometimes is not rocket science and old bob paisley would laugh when he heard stuff like leadning the line and all that... its a simple game... play to your strengths LFC need to get thier best players into their best positions, then improve the rest around that. that means for next 2/3 years put henderson in as the forrest gump of our team, just run about mate.. thats your strength Get can in at DM in the end.. he's shwon an ability to lead and organise, focus on it. Get coutinho in a no 10 role. Whatever formation is chosen be it 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 or whatever we have to focus on getting the bascis right.... that means once again mingolet comes under the spot light ...................... lets look at courtois.. he was caught out yesterday by a 1 in 100 goal. he was prob about 4 yards too far up given how chelsea dropped off too. That was all... but. lets look at the other goal... the tap in that cheslea got. willian up the pitch, in fact 4 players up ready to press and begoivc failed to sport it.. FLC hardly ever committ that much up pressing these days why? cos the defense and keeper sit right off worried by other teams pace. we therefore lack the press we need. Start with mingolet. I do not ****ing care he can save shots i want him gone cos he cannot get out there high enough and push that defensive line up. if the defenders get up to half way the midifeld can push right up too.... the team them plays together without massive gaps between lines. Its not rocket science. however after 15mins yesterday toure was failing his job and it was the 21 year old playing out of position who was organizing the line and trying his best to get them to step up further.... hoenst to god thats just ****e.
Moreno is not making the kind of mistakes you's attribute to being new. He is a liability end off, literally dead weight too as he offers nothing in attack and rarely finds anyone with a cross. If he occasionally did what he did v Spurs this season in the WHL game, then I'd say well we'll see, but he's been pants in all bar one or two games. He's directly cost us points repeatedly with his complete lack of defensive awareness and total lack of discipline.
But he did do it against Spurs. Against United he struggled when you went down to 10 but that's understandable. Two things to consider - he's young & he's new the PL. I wish I'd seen more of him at Sevilla to have a better picture of his potential BUT I genuinely believe you get a better sense of a player like Moreno from their second season onward.
Sometimes you have to accept that the guy might have done ok in Spain but he is not of PL standard. I am of the opinion from what I ahve seen that he is not good enough. I have watched him every game he's played for us and he's either non plus or bad with 2 good performances I can think of. Not Good Enough
I'm always hesitant to write a player off after 1 season, especially Young foreigb players who have come in and haven't got much competition for places. My problem is he doesn't seem to be a great defender, his attempt at a tackle yesterday was atrocious, if you can even call it an attempt. Arms behind his back (that pisses me off for starters) then just let him walk inside of you to shoot. Now now whether it's because he's not used to playing wing back so isn't sure of his positioning, possibly. Would like to see him as a regular lb more like at the start where he was actually ok. His attacking abilities, other than pace doesn't have much. He's alright on the ball and give him space to run into like Spurs game he's great, but he's like walker for me, has 0 skill to beat a man and will either beat a man for pure pace and cross (not much good for our team) or just be held up by the full back and pass backwards. Can't beat a man 1v1. Happy to to see him here next year just like I am Lovren because neither are awful players, but he needs to kick on and improve greatly.
Moreno could have a good rep in spain turning up against every ****e side and being pants against Barca Atletico and madrid. I recon it is easier for someone like Moreno to do better in Spain with his defensive shortfalls. Unfortunately, I think this level is currently a level too high for him.
Moreno only had one full ****ing season at Sevilla proper otherwise he's been B team. He's not played enough in Spain for the club to have made any judgement on him as to whether he's good enough. The transfer smacks of "hope" Bad buy end of
Rodgers will have another **** start to the next season when he goes back to pass to death like in his previous three, before realising it's not working and changing it up around Christmas. He's consistent in that. I still think there's a lot of good qualities in Rodgers; he does improve young players, he does find ways to get our attacking play working despite on paper being much weaker or 'lesser' than the oppositions. Aside from that though, he really does make me worry. His eye for talent is awful on the whole, he is too stubborn in many ways, his media work is embarrassing and he has no clue what to do defensively. Those are four pretty big areas lacking in a manager... Suarez bailed him out so many times last season as a match winner who could turn a game on its head. Yeah, he got him playing and created the environment for that to happen, but we still needed Luis to do it. He could create all the match winning environments he wants for our current crop but they won't do anything - Coutinho aside - because they're not at that level. And that's down to poor reinvestment in the Suarez money - no top drawer match winner which all big teams need, just young talent or dross. Right man for the job now, probably not under his current title. With a DoF, maybe still got a chance.
I remember before we appointed BR saying that we should appoint a DOF and got shot down for it! Now we have a few posters saying the same thing, how times change!
I seem to recall most people wanting a DoF because the names Bergiristain, LVG and Klinsmann were mentioned and I definitely did not just pull those names from my arse
Definitely. What player would want to come and play for Rodgers, big stars would be put off and as our transfers have gone....they have!! I think the owners have a big big decision to make this summer. 3 years down the line, we are no better, we have spent (wasted) an absolute sh!t load of money, have no champions league to show for it and no trophies. How long do people consider giving someone 'time'??
The key question is about hope. Does he provide any hope that he CAN bring the title or at least challenge for it in the next few years? If the answer is no, then there is no point keeping him.
Rodgers has to take blame for the signings but Gerrard's slip can hardly be blamed on Rodgers. That was the margin between no trophy last season and the PL title. people say it was all down to Suarez, the same people forget Henry and Rodgers stopped Suarez leaving, (the very thing the bitters and co slated us for with one particular regular visitor telling us keeping him would end in disaster) that nearly won us the PL, only for that single error to cost us with nothing but handy games left to play as the chavs came to Anflied for a draw. So I do blame Rodgers for the signings that have resulted in such a **** season in the PL and CL and EL for that matter, but that **** up was made in the summer, there is no point in ranting about it only now after we blew the chase for 4th. I would have exepcted to hear said ranting when we were the form side before our two recent defeats. At least that **** MITO was consistent throughout the season
The answer is obvious. Make Shankly technical director and give Brendan a Ouija board, jobs a good un!!
Very hypothetical obviously but... OUT - Jones, Ward; Johnson, Enrique, Kolo, Lovren; Lucas (seems like it's time); Borini, Aspas, Would sell Allen and Balo if replacements are made. Lallana if the price is right. IN: Neto (or whoever -free), Howedes (£15m), Alderweireld (£10m), Montoya (5-10m), Xhaka (£15m), Turan or Pedro (£15-20m), Milner (free) (why not) Would like another striker but not sure who would give value and quality - scared we'll sign Berahino although maybe we won't if he's got Sterling's agent. Vietto? Dybala? In an ideal world I'd buy a Khedira or Diego Garcia but that won't happen. Would love Garcia here - absolute warrior. Likewise I'd replace Rodgers if we could bring in a manager capable of attacking football + defensive resilience. But I don't think we'll get one.
In the cold light of day we'd have to see who's good enough and who is not And that goes by position, you can carry one or two if they are hard working lads who give their all every week especially in wider areas So; Gk. Imo we've no keeper I'd rely on. Mingolet is not a modern keeper and so I'd rather just about anyone. For me it's not even damned passing it's just getting the lines right and this guy brings the line too deep Rb. We don't have a good one. If wisdom was a better worker is say ok, if Flanagan was not a total journeyman I'd say ok but as it stands we have none Rcb: Skertl js it. Never been top 4. Toure is past it. Ilori is injured a lot and young Lcb: sahko, lovern. Sahko is it Lb: moreno was sold readily by Seville, they were too eager to sell but we found why. He cannot defend and is a liability Cm: henderson, can... Decent but not really top 4 are they. You'd wantvto add one to this. Lucas and Allen are done Acm... Coutinho. One genuine hope in the team of top 4 ability To think.... I literally begged for us to sign eriksen we bought lallana for twice his fee. Shocking shocking stupidity imo. Lallana has no pace, no physicality and is one trick a little cruyff turn Left/ right forwards: Markovic, sterling ibe. All young and inconsistent Borini is a joke Striker: Sturridge is made of glass, lambert is so last it, balotelli is a bad joke the gods of karma must be playing on us So..... Really we've one guy I think would be too 4 then 3/4 players who might make that grade some to improve to do it, some to keep it up like henderson I would play a 4-3-3 New keeper New rb Skertl sahko new lb Can henderson Coutinho New rf sturridge sterling This does not mean this spine is good enough, no it just says we've 4 gaps to fill just to play at a level. To get to top 4 I don't believe sturridge is up to it now, I don't know about that midfield, I know those cbs are not really it. It's not pretty but at least we can see with some sense applied we can easily attain top 6 out of it cos frankly it won't take much to solidify
Not on the thread I started way back when! There were a couple of people who were lukewarm to the idea and most dismissed it out of hand! The theory behind the thread was to have some sort of continuity of players, so that if BR did not get it right, it would not cost us an absolute fortune putting it right. Now looking at the squad, you would have to say, if Rodgers does leave, we are looking at spending another ****load of cash to replace a lot of dross!
