Of course sacking Neil was wrong. He'd probably have kept us in the PL, and if not he was the best bet to bring us back up from the Championship! So far MH has been a disaster but there is still a few games left for him to turn it around, unlikely though it's beginning to seem.
Well said Oslo. Roller is normally a very good poster with his finger on the pulse but he's all over the place on this one.
Hit the wrong button! 2 Hughes was not brought in to build a proper club and reintroduce a scouting network/youth academy. He was brought in at huge expense with one aim only. To keep us up. he has been a total disaster so far. He has not sorted out the problems he inherited. The players he brought in were precisely the ones being courted by Warnock and have proved to be disastrous in various ways. Onuoha must clearly have difficulty doing his laces up every morning he is that uncoordinated. He cannot read the game or tackle properly. Cisse seems unable to guarantee that he can go 180 minutes without being sent off for straight reds. Zamora has done very little to warrant a starting place when the Iceman returns. Diakite has got better with each game but frankly I think we all expected rather more given the talking up he received at the time. Taiwo seems to lack the basic ability to defend which i thought was his primary role. For a side that had been given the kiss of life and a massive boost to their confidence, with the miraculous come back against Liverpool, yesterday's performance at Sunderland was totally inept. The defence was at sixes and sevens. Our midfield lacked any creativity at all. But Sparky will no doubt take some comfort that he got Adel Taarabt to tackle back. It seems that Sparky too is intent on squandering Adel's creative spark for the sake of making him pass and tackle back 3 I hope that we do scour the lower leagues for talented young players with a work ethic but hopefully they will be discoveries. I do not see the point in speculating about the likes of Jordan Rhodes who will cost an absolute packet and may well struggle to live up to his price tag. There are some very decent young players out there. Maclean who tore us apart yesterday for one. I hope I am wrong but doubt whether Sparky's sources extend that far down the football pyramid. 4 It's wise not to believe everything that is written on the Offish or in interviews with new managers. They are always quick to find fault with the shocking standards they find when they take charge and have grandiose schemes they want to put in place over a career until they retire gracefully. 5. Where was I? Oh yes. Lost the dressing room. Our sources are a whole list of disgruntled players who had lost their place in the starting XI. How many of these have actually regained their places? Does that not suggest to us that they may not be as good as they think they are?
Sorry but the lad I speak to is a first team regular with no axe to grind. NW had lost it and MH is seen as a huge step up.
Then you are about as reliable as all our other ITKs. Make your own mind up and what you see not what you hear in gossip. "A huge step up"? Is he away with the fairies?
I don't count having a 1 to 1 drink and a chat as gossip and i never claim to be ITK. In fact i deliberately try to steer away from it. He cares passionately about the club. Sorry if my response didn't fit with your assumption but I'd rather deal in factual accounts.
One lad's opinion doesn't mean so very much - Joey perhaps! I wonder how many still think he's been the big step up!
Yorkie, recycled yes, weâve all had these conversations before, tosh, I donât think so. To work through your points. 1) Had Warnock lost the dressing room? There is no cast iron proof but apart from a whole variety of posters on this and other forums and Ranger74âs first team drinking buddy, the Holy Trinity of Clive Whittingham, David McIntyre and our own Col all suggested it was the case. I donât have a direct quote from Neil Warnock and we should all choose to ignore Mr Bartonâs constant diarrhoea, but it seems to me that the circumstantial evidence is sufficient. I canât get to all our matches and see everything, so I pick whose opinions seem to be right more often than not. What makes you think he didnât lose the dressing room? 2) Hughesâ role. Obviously his initial task was to stave off relegation, but after that it was to build a proper club, see this from the Daily Telegraph. TELEGRAPH/Jason Burt Queens Park Rangers give new manager Mark Hughes free rein to overhaul club in quest to become real force. Mark Hughes has been given the mandate for a complete overhaul of Queens Park Rangers following his appointment on Tuesday as the clubâs new manager on a two-and-a-half year contract. Hughes will be involved in everything from the plans for a new 30,000-capacity stadium in west London and a state-of-the-art training ground to revamping QPR's scouting network, medical facilities and sports science department 3) I think we are in agreement here. Rhodes was just an example, you are probably right that we have missed the boat with him but that young talent is out there. 4) I very spent years not believing what is on the official propaganda website. If most of the paper publish the same type of story, there is, more than likely, some truth in it. 5) See 1 If it had been left to me Neil Warnock would still be our manager and Mark Hughes would not have got anywhere near the job. For fear of recycling, sacking Warnock was right, he was taking us down without a shadow of doubt. For the record I still love the man, it hurts to see him wearing the Leeds logo on television, I wish he was still here, but for all the wrong reasons. At least his reputation here will not be tarnished by getting us relegated. I dislike Hughes (see my post in Nutsâ rallying call thread). I guess the jury is still just about out on Hughes, but the judge is already wearing his black cap. Fernandes had to do something, unfortunately it hasnât worked.
You really lost me here Roller! You say if it had been left to you Neil would still be manager, but then in your next sentance that he was taking us down without a doubt!? Don't follow your logic unless you love to see us dropping down the leagues! In any case can't see how anyone can say we were going down or not for sure under Neil - we'll never know!
Had I been in charge at the time I would have done nothing. Reflecting back, I now think that it was right to sack Warnock. I’m certainly not claiming that I was happy with the decision at the time.
Again I say, what a peculiar thing for Roller to be saying. Are you feeling okay buddy? What you've just said only makes sense if you turn it back to front! You're either trying to confuse us or you've confused yourself. Either way I don't like it. We want the real Roller back!
We seem to be tying ourselves up in knots here. Just as I did not see the point in refusing to admit the reality of the situation as if blind faith is the only hallmark of true support, I do not see the point of drawing pictures only in black and white. For the record, Warnock made some horrendous mistakes in the players he brought to the club and the ones he discarded. However just because Hughes is the current incumbent does not make him immune from criticism. If his primary mission had indeed been to restore a rich pipeline of home nutured talent why has he been allowed to splash the cash to the extent he has? We recruited much more heavily in the January window than any other club. That was clearly intended to be a quick fix to get us out of a jam. It aint worked. He deserves to be criticised for that. I'd be interested to know if much is left from our windfall this season. We may see some reward next season but not if they each have a let-out clause. I grant you that the decision to dispense with Warnock was not an easy one to make or to be certain now whether it was right or wrong. However the decision to replace him with Hughes is a lot simpler. It clearly was another mistake driven by panic and the desire to get the biggest name available at the time.
I'm fairly certain that when all is done and dusted and all the chaff has been payed off etc, we'll have lost a packet.
