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Discussion in 'Norwich City' started by robbieBB, Aug 9, 2013.

  1. Cruyff's Turn

    Cruyff's Turn Well-Known Member

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    Sort of thing the lazy buggers would do,scour the internet for rip off articles.
     
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  2. JKCanary

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    When have lazy buggers scoured anything!?
     
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  3. Kent canary

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    If you take out the Sky six, this is our current record

    Played 10
    Wins 5
    draws 2
    loses 3
    For: 11
    Against: 7
    Points: 17

    This is a big improvement on last season where we were saved by unexpected results against Arse, Manure and Citeh.
     
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  4. canarian

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    Just for fun:

    Win rate 1/3; Failed to score in 1/3; Clean sheet ratio 1/3; Finally roughly 1/3rd from the bottom.
     
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  5. Tony_Munky_Canary

    Tony_Munky_Canary Well-Known Member

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    And don't forget one of the three other defeats was away to Newcastle, whose manager won Manager of the Month for that particular month.
    Doesn't look too bad at all all things considered, surely we would be an absolute laughing stock if we sacked our manager based on these stats - like a lot of us have been saying all season <ok>
     
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  7. RiverEndRick

    RiverEndRick Well-Known Member

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    Newcastle fans were wanting Pardew out at the end of October. Now they've won 5 of their last 6 matches and Pardew is everybody's hero. It's all about results. With a run of games capable of producing points, we should have a reasonable idea of what City can achieve this season as we hit the halfway point 4 matches from now.
     
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  8. robbieBB

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    There are often questions about the categories of event used in compiling match statistics. Here, for reference, are the official OPTA definitions of the categories they use:

    Opta Glossary

    This is a list of the main football events logged by Opta:

    Goal/Own Goal

    While this one may seem obvious, different governing bodies have different rules and Opta usually works with the relevant people to reflect their official decisions on goalscorers.

    Shot on target

    Any goal attempt that:

    a) Goes into the net

    b) Would have gone into the net but for being stopped by a goalkeeper's save

    c) Would have gone into the net but for being stopped by a defender who is the last man.

    Shot off target

    Any goal attempt where the ball is going wide of the target, misses the goal or hits the woodwork.

    Blocked Shot

    Any goal attempt heading roughly on target toward goal which is blocked by a defender, where there are other defenders or a goalkeeper behind the blocker.

    Chance conversion/Goals-to-shots ratio

    A calculation of goals scored divided by shots attempted (excluding blocked attempts).

    Shooting Accuracy

    A calculation of Shots on target divided by all shots (excluding blocked attempts).

    Pattern of play for Goals/Attempts

    Set Piece goals/attempts are those where the ball starts from a dead ball situation such as a corner, a free kick, a penalty or a Throw-in and results in a shot before the phase of play has broken down into open play.

    The exact point at which it becomes open play is usually clear but set pieces which are cleared and then the ball is put straight back into the penalty area are still deemed to be part of the set piece as the defending team is still positioned to deal with the set play.

    Big Chances

    A situation where a player should reasonably be expected to score usually in a one-on-one scenario or from very close range.

    Goal Assist

    The final pass or pass-cum-shot leading to the recipient of the ball scoring a goal.

    Fantasy Goal Assist

    From Summer 2013, Opta have started to collect a range of other assists used by fantasy football, but also available to clients to determine their own definition should they wish

    Heavily deflected pass
    Shot on target saved, rebound scored
    Shot blocked rebound scored
    Shot hit woodwork rebound scored
    Penalty won
    Free kick won by foul
    Free kick instigated by forced handball
    Instigating own goal through shot/pass
    Second Assist/Key Pass

    A pass/cross that is instrumental in creating a goal-scoring opportunity, for example a corner or free-kick to a player who then assists an attempt, a chance-creating through ball or cross into a dangerous position.

    Key Pass

    The final pass or pass-cum-shot leading to the recipient of the ball having an attempt at goal without scoring.

    Chances Created

    Assists plus Key passes.

    Passes

    An intentional played ball from one player to another.

    Opta adds a whole range of qualifiers to each pass event, so that various things can be measured

    Chipped pass - a lofted ball where there is a clear intended recipient
    Headed pass - a header where there is a clear intended recipient
    Launch - a long high ball into space or into an area for players to chase or challenge for the ball
    Cross - a pass from a wide position into a specific area in front of the goal
    Flick-on - a glancing pass with head or foot onto a team mate where the ball is helped on in the same general direction
    Pull back - a pass inside the penalty area which is pulled back from the goal-line to the centre of the penalty area
    Lay-off - a ball returned back to where it came from (usually by a forward) with one touch
    Through Ball - a pass splitting the defence for a team-mate to run on to.
    Each pass is logged with X and Y co-ordinates for its point of origin and destination. This allows Opta to log the following:
    Passes broken down area of the pitch for example by own half/opposition half or defensive/middle/final third or left/right/centre
    Passes broken down by half, for example short/long, short medium/long
    Pass direction, for example backwards/sideways/forwards.
    Of course, the event based nature of the data is such that you can calculate any combination such as chipped passes over 20 yards in the final third that go sideways.

    Opta also logs whether the pass is from open play or a dead ball situation such as a corner, a free kick, a throw or goalkeeper distribution from hands or goal kicks.

    Pass completion

    This is simply a formula where Successful passes are divided by Total attempted passes in whichever combination of passes is selected.

    Usually, pass completion excludes crosses.

    Crosses are usually treated separately and Crossing success is the percentage of successful crosses out of the total attempted.

    Touch/Unsuccessful touch

    When the ball bounces off a player and there is no intentional pass, we award a touch. Where there is a mis-control we award an Unsuccessful touch.

    Dribbles/Take-ons

    This is an attempt by a player to beat an opponent in possession of the ball. A successful dribble means the player beats the defender while retaining possession, unsuccessful ones are where the dribbler is tackled, Opta also log attempted dribbles where the player overruns the ball.

    Tackles

    A tackle is defined as where a player connects with the ball in ground challenge where he successfully takes the ball away from the man in possession. All tackles are really a successful event.

    A Tackle Won is deemed to be where the tackler or one of his team-mates regains possession as a result of the challenge, or that the ball goes out of play and is "safe".

    A Tackle Lost is where a tackle is made but the ball goes to an opposition player.

    Missed Tackles

    This is where a player attempts to challenge for the ball and does not make it – it is calculated by adding fouls with an attempted tackle qualifier to challenge lost.

    Clearance

    This is a defensive action where a player kicks the ball away from his own goal with no intended recipient of the ball.

    Block

    This is where a player blocks a shot from an opposing player.

    Interception

    This is where a player intentionally intercepts a pass by moving into the line of the intended ball.

    Recovery

    This is where a player wins back the ball when it has gone loose or where the ball has been played directly to him.

    Shield ball out of play

    Where a player shields the ball from an opponent and is successful in letting it run out of play.

    Foul conceded

    Any infringement that is penalised as foul play by a referee.

    Foul won

    Where a player is fouled by an opponent. There is no foul won for a handball or a dive where a free kick is conceded.

    Offside

    Awarded to the player deemed to be in an offside position where a free kick is awarded.

    Duels

    A duel is an 50-50 contest between two players of opposing sides in the match. For every Duel Won there is a corresponding Duel Lost depending on the outcome of the Duel.

    Aerial Challenge won - Aerial Challenge lost.

    This is where two players challenge in the air against each other. The player that wins the ball is deemed to have won the duel. When more than two players are involved the player closest to the duel winner is given an Aerial Duel lost.

    Successful Take-on/Dribble - Challenge lost.

    The player who has been beaten is given a Challenge lost if they do not win the ball.

    Tackle - Unsuccessful Take-on/Dispossessed .

    A tackle is awarded if a player wins the ball from another player who is in possession. If he is attempting to beat the tackler, the other player will get an unsuccessful Take-on. If he is in possession but not attempting to "beat" his man, then he will get a dispossessed.

    Smother - Unsuccessful Take-on.

    A goalkeeper who comes out and claims the ball at the feet of a forward gets a smother, similar to a tackle.

    Foul won-Foul conceded.

    The player winning the foul is deemed to have won the duel and the player committing the foul having lost the duel.

    Save

    A goalkeeper preventing the ball from entering the goal with any part of his body.

    Saves are broken down into:

    •Hands/Feet/Body

    •Caught/Collected/Parried Safe/Parried Danger area/Fingertip

    •Diving/Standing/Reaching/Stooping

    Clean Sheet

    A player or team who does not concede a goal for the full match.

    Penalty faced

    We log which way a goalkeeper dives regardless of the outcome of the penalty.

    Catch

    A high ball that is caught by the goalkeeper

    Punch

    A high ball that is punched clear by the goalkeeper.

    Drop

    A high ball where the goalkeeper gets hands on the ball but drops it from his grasp.

    Cross not claimed

    When a goalkeeper comes off his goal line to claim a high ball and misses the ball.

    Catch Success

    The percentage of high balls that a goalkeeper tries to deal with where he is successful - Catches+Punches divided by total high balls he came for.

    Keeper Sweeper

    When a goalkeeper comes out of his goal to sweep up behind his defence and attempt to clear the ball.

    Touches

    A sum of all events where a player touches the ball, so excludes things like Aerial challenge lost or Challenge lost.

    Disciplinary Points

    For Opta Discipline tables, we award one point per foul conceded, three points per yellow card and six per red card. For Referees' tables we also add three points per penalty awarded.

    - See more at: http://www.optasports.com/news-area/blog-optas-event-definitions.aspx#sthash.Jkd0pi0l.dpuf
     
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  9. canary-dave

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    There's MORE?????
     
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  10. robbieBB

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    <laugh> There's more to OPTA than just a Glossary! <ok>
     
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  11. Kent canary

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    9 clean sheets this season now, better than Man Utd and Liverpool
     
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  14. robbieBB

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    Those pass combination stats are not really surprising for yesterdays game are they? Re. Olsson/Redmond, if you look at the stats for our games generally, the primary pass combination is on the right involving Snodgrass, especially when paired with Martin, and indicates just how right-side weighted our play is when Snodgrass is fit. As you might expect, this tends to be less marked when Pilkington is fit and getting a run of games, but the right-side bias is still there. <ok>
     
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  15. cardinalcanary

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    So what stats should Hughton be looking at from West Ham's last games? Looks like McCartney was their most influential player and playing the ball up the left channel to Jarvis was their most used combination. That said Villa did most of the passing in the game.
     
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  16. robbieBB

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    (1) the number of long passes (an above average 20% against Villa, but WHU anyway have one of the three highest long pass averages in the league); and (2) the number of corners WHU forced. In other words, even with Carroll out, the Allardyce leopard doesn't change its spots. Nolan is the big danger, feeding from knock-downs from Cole and from the CBs at corners. <ok>
     
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  17. cardinalcanary

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    @melissajrudd: Demichelis made MOTD Team of the Day because he "completed a highly-respectable 95% of his passes as Man City shutout #ncfc". No words. &#55357;&#56883;&#55357;&#56904;

    From twitter.

    How not to use statistics!
     
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  18. Walsh.i.am

    Walsh.i.am Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    He also gave a pretty accurate impression of being hit full in the temple by a sniper's bullet after a fingertip in the back from Hooper.
    Presumably this scored him extra points for "artistic impression"? <doh>
     
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  19. robbieBB

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    For all those sceptical about stats, here's a quote from Alan Pardew:

    "........ forget about what it looked like to the naked eye, his stats were very good ......." (from today's BBC Football web pages)

    I don't for a moment think that Pardew is the exception in this. People within the game take stats very seriously, which IMO should encourage the rest of us to take them more seriously too. <ok>
     
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  20. sportsrated

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    Stats are undoubtedly a crucial consideration when contemplating a signing. They are also a strong guide to a player's impact in the game.

    My only real issue with them is how they are portrayed in/twisted by the media. There are stats regularly wheeled out to 'prove' a point, that are little more than coincidence or, at best, correlation (rather than causation).

    Most stats are useless in a vacuum. They need complementary stats/context to be able to infer any kind of meaning from them.
     
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