Fckin hell Musty, don't give up the day job at the UN. Thank God he doesn't know about the breakdown of the population of Bradford or else we'd all be in the ****.
Very true Dai ! But you can see entrenched views of people all around you and unless someone changes their views or are open to change the status quo will continue!
I was once told that a wise man would be willing to change his opinion and only a fool wouldn't. Perhaps if more people thought like this there'd be more peace in the world FFS, please please do not tell Musty anything about Bradford
Everything I've said is absolutely correct factually. You can come to your own opinion based on those facts, as I have. I haven't made a racist comment, though Musty has. Disliking a particular religion because of its violent tenets doesn't make me a racist. Please don't fall into that old trap. I have Muslim friends living in Egypt - thankfully they are moderate and we never talk about religion! I like most Arabs I've met ( I can speak some Arabc too). They are decent people and don't agree with flying planes into buildings. On topic, I notice nobody thinks it's OK to ban Schechter from Dubai. It's ridiculous, but goes to the root of the problems in the Middle East. Regrettably, the Arabic pwers that be won't settle for compromise with Israel. They want the Jews wiped off the face of the earth. It's pathetic.
If I was one of the Swans players and any country wouldn't let one of my team mates in then I would refuse to travel there myself in disgust. The treatment dished out to Schecter is disgraceful and racist. I wish the Swans hasn't gone there and never go again. Ps, from what I can see you have not made any racist comments Aussie and I can only assume Ash meant Musty because that's what I thought.
Sad that you saying bad **** about muslims. I myself am a muslim, why should i be labeled? Could i call all catholics ****s? Dubai doesn't agree with Israels policies n has the right to do so. If you want to blame anyone blame the club for knowing and still going ahead. Just as ang country has the right to choose who to alllow in i do feel politics n sport shouldnt mix, neither do i feel should football fans on a forum be labeling all arabs n muslims. If you want to talk about tolerance try yourself with not labelling all people.
Well seeing as I know sod all about Islam is there any truth to what Aussie says about what this Quran says and the policies against homosexuals, women etc etc ? What about what happened recently where that little boy was beaten to death and then his body burned because he didn't know religious passages form the Quran off by heart ? I believe that was in Cardiff but might be wrong. Also, seeing as Dubai won't admit entry to an Israeli national how about then that we who don't agree with their policies don't admit entry to nationals of the UAE ? How do you feel about one of our players that has been discriminated against because he is Jewish ? I'm not asking the official line of any Muslim country, I'm interested in your individual opinion as a Swans fan who just happens to be Muslim. Are they right or wrong to refuse him entry?
Yes i agree with that but unfortunately laudrup only learned about his ban at the last minute. I dont suppose they could have changed their plans or im sure they would. Muslim people are just like any other religion, there are good and bad in all religions....i have Muslim friends and they are the most delightful people i have ever met and they are swans fans...
Only a fool would label a whole race based on limited experience with a few individuals. My gripe isn't with individuals. I've already said that. I actually dislike all religions, but the fact is (and this is fact, even if it's uncomfortable for some) Islam discriminates against women, apostates (those who give up Islam) and homosexuals. I happen to think that's wrong and make no apologies for it. As for the Israelis, I'm not particularly pro-Jewish and I really do think that their own extremists don't help, but history shows that the Palestinians have been offered their own homeland three times and it's been refused. Why? Sorry, but the Arabs don't want compromise. They want Israel gone and the Jews dead. All because of stone-age superstition - and that's why Schechter wasn't allowed into Dubai. They regard him as stateless. My prediction is that if the more moderate countries like Egypt continue on the path of the Muslim Brotherhood (they've recently elected a MB President who instantly swept away all the laws that make him accountable) there will be even bigger problems out there before long. Not a question of labelling anyone, it's being able to speak up when something is so obviousy wrong without being called a bigot or a racist. If you are a Muslim, fine. I really don't have a problem with that. But be prepared to have your faith questioned by some and not rely on the silent majority. If anyone says that Islam doesn't discriminate in the way I've described they haven't read the Qu'ran or are simply lying. As for tolerance, it makes me laugh when that old chestnut is raised. Islam is a religion that demands tolerance and usually gets it, but in fact gives none. Not even to some of its own followers. That's my take and I'm so glad I live in a country where I'm able to say so.
So does the same apply in Qatar? Could be trouble if Israel qualifies for that world cup! FIFA won't let Israel be left out if they qualify fairly. I could go on about the religious aspects more but won't as this is a football forum. Clench teeth and simmer down Steve!....
I'd never thought of that Steve. Bloody hell, imagine a country qualifying for a World Cup and not being allowed into the host country ? Doesn't bear thinking about
politics and religion has no place in any sport....I disagree when a player says he wont play on a Sunday, you don't hear much about that these days as top teams tend not to sign these players....all types of conflicts for any reason should not interfere with sport because if countries feel so strongly about it then they should not enter any sporting competition period, If they do then they must put all their differences behind them and play to the spirit that sport is suppose to represent.
According to the article below, Laudrup did consider cancelling the trip after they found out but Itay hadnt been back home to Israel for 5 months, so rather than cancel the trip he has gone home to see friends and family. http://www.thenational.ae/events/ca...ver-dubai-training-camp-due-to-israeli-player
I respect peoples right to believe in whatever they want and live however they want but when those rights infringe on other peoples rights or when they coerce other people to think a certain way then thats totally unacceptable for me. Most religions (maybe all) aim to control us and have actively engaged in this throughout history. For example here in S.America the indigenous people worshipped the powers of nature, like the sun, moon, earth etc but when the Spanish came along they forcibly replaced this with their own beliefs, now the vast majority of people are catholics and they take it for granted that their brand of religion is 'the truth' (just like all the others!). Religious Education should be taken off the school curriculum and replaced with something that unites the community instead of dividing it. With regards to the Dubai trip although Laudrup made some kind of compromise with Shechter it cant be good that hes training alone with a crucial game coming up and i would have liked to have seen the players cancel it out of solidarity
