I am willing to be proved wrong. I wasn't there - maybe the tone of the evening was different. But, the 'big announcement' from the NoToHullTigers campaign was that Allam agreed to look into the profitability of the name. That suggests to me, that they thought it was important.
Another thing to consider is that market research surveys can be worded very easily to produce the conclusions that the sponsor of the research desires.
At a recent graduation event in the City Hall at which I attended the doctor was introduced as the chairman of Hull Tigers. He gave a passionate speech about how he saved the club which was well received. He also spoke about investing a lot of money in a medical centre. Whilst I have splinters in my'arris from fence sitting over the name change. The City needs people like this. Top top bloke...
Would a market research survey alone satisfy the need to prove a benefit? My take is that Mr Allam possibly wants to keep the debate open, for the same reasons he created it in the first place (I'm still not clear in my mind what that is) the outcome of the meeting satisfies that. I suspect the outcome of any future elections could have an influence on where it progresses. I also think Mr Allam will be happy if there's a dignified way out. All in all, in my view the campaign team are playing it right and showing Mr Allam a lot of respect and gratitude and taking the time to explain their case without it becoming a personal battle. That is one hell of an achievement.
It was indeed and it was a good example of the vagueness I mentioned earlier. He said he would never consider changing the badge, but when quizzed on that more deeply, he said he wouldn't change the tiger on the badge, the wording wasn't part of the badge, it was just the name of the club(there were quite a lot of illogical bits and bobs during the meeting).
He is a businessman first and last. His matchday experience is 90% business talk and 10% football. The only way he will listen to the arguement is in business terms, he isn't interested in the moral or historical reasons if they don't impact on the business. From what I have read the CTWD team have put forward valid reasons against the name change for several reasons, not concentrating on just the financial side. If he does market research and it tells him he won't make any money by changing then he won't change. His business ethic won't let him. What I don't understand is why he hasn't done the research before now.
Can we influence the profitability of a name change by making sure any potential investors know it would be an unpopular decision with the fans? Do we need to?
As things stand currently, there is nobody offering to invest if we change our name, there is no Chinese billionaire waiting in the wings, Assem just wants City out of our name and sees Hull Tigers as the way to do it. Only when an expert tells him it won't generate extra income, will he bin the idea.
OLM, a little late for this suggestion, I thought of it last night, but there's a way the campaign, the fans and te club could all play in to each others hands. There's obvious reason the city benefits from a top flight football club, the council will recognise that and want Hull City to remain a strong premier league side. The club needs more income to support this, so they try a rebrand to attract new fan base and investment from overseas where Hull Tigers would be a popular name. The people of Hull are outraged, they campaign against the name change, and to prevent it they campaign for the only other viable option for increased income is the acquisition of stadium and land and development of the area under the clubs ownership. EVERYONE is a winner, the council lose a financial burden from their hands, in doing so they and the city gains excellent sporting facilities for the public AND a much nicer developed area of the city that is badly in need of some revamping, and the club gets its extra income to help sustain a competitive premier league side which is also of great benefit to te city. Is there any chance CTWD can work with Allam to get the majority of the public in Hull on side to get the council to listen seriously about the ground sale? It saves the name and benefits everyone.
That one's dead, Assem will not speak to the council again. If you mention the name Geraghty, he starts spitting feathers.
Isn't Hull Tigers the name of the Company that owns Hull City AFC? If so, in that respect it's correct to say he's the chairman of Hull Tigers. He's also the Chairman of Hull City AFC and Allam Marine. (I think)
Is it the Council or Gerraghty he has an issue with? His other companies still deal with the Council on other issues, such as planning and the SMC, so I don't see it as being totally closed.
Maybe something could be done to bring some amenability (is that the correct word?) to both sides. If he really does have te clubs best interests at heart, he will swallow a small amount of pride in order to do best.
Urgh I hate that tiger though. Surely we can keep the same badge in essence while still modernising the tackier elements of it?
Are badges, scarves, etc, still going to be sold? Is the huge banner still to be unfurled at games now? Does the campaign go on full steam ahead or is everything suspended now because it would be disrespectful to Mr. Allam not to wait until he announces "it's a goldmine this Hull Tigers".
So where does the campaign go from here. Do we still use the giant flag ? Do i buy a CTWD scarf and sing ctwd at 19:04 ? or do we simply wait the result of Assems market research ? EDIT: SNAP
I'd be willing to completely forgive and forget those comments if he doesn't change the name. I don't expect him to understand what it's like to have been a City fan all your life, I just expect him to listen and take us into account. I'd suggest he has to prove it to the people he promised to prove it to - which is the 12 reps from last night and the fans they represent. It doesn't matter what proof he provides, the term proof is pretty explicit. Any proof would prove his point. If he just casually says it that wouldn't be proof. I don't think it will be possible to prove either way so if he sticks to his word, he won't be able to change it.
Gordon Bennett... If I had to deal with the numpty like Terry 'Rugby town' Geraghty, then I would be spitting feathers. He can't even pronounce Premier correctly and when has he said anything positive about City or the Doctor. Blunderside only want to hear from him so he can make trouble. Such is the lack of moral compass from those idiots. It was interesting that Brady seems to have changed his tune were the Allam's are concerned to a degree, but maybe he can't elbow Geriatric Terry into touch to pave the way to an amicable agreement. If that is the case (and I stress IF) then it is a sad state of affairs for the city when an Herbert like TG can stop progress.
All this says is he has done fook all research wise, jumped in feet first because the council wont give him what he wants! Soooooo Now what? edit He was probably bown away be the research CTWD had done and expected a half cocked plan.
