If someone could randomly compare the actions of the government/army to the Nazis it should ensure some healthy debate.
What do you mean. This has sparked an interesting debate. the issue is it’s true. You can’t criticise Israel without it being taken as criticism about Jewish people and it isn’t that. I’m not anti Jew. But there is nothing good about the Israel and the way it conducts itself.
In all seriousness , it must be very difficult to know all your neighbours as countries want you dead . Esp considering what happened in WW2
There is that. Though would the neighbours be that way toward Israel if they treated the Palestinians better. It’s just a circle of **** being made worse by their own actions. you could argue that whatever actions they did to try an appease the Palestinians wouldn’t be enough. But we can’t comment on that because they haven’t and continue to populate and build home in areas they shouldn’t erect giant walls.
I'm not sure if that was intended as a darkside of your humour....but it's where my mind certainly was.
They’ve deliberately sought to conflate criticism of the actions of the State of Israel with anti semitism though, that’s an open secret. It’s been happening for decades mate. I find this personally quite repugnant tbh, as it’s using the horror of the holocaust to avoid scrutiny of their States treatment of the Palestinians. I saw relatively recently that the Israelis have now added that any criticism of Zionists is now also anti Semitic as if you call out Zionists then you’re automatically questioning the right of Israel to exist. Which is yet more deliberate conflation and utter bollocks. Not least because there’s plenty of Orthodox Jews who are vehemently anti Zionist, the news that they’re by definition now anti Semitic, must have come as news to them. The ridiculous nonsense with Trump yesterday lauding a peace ‘agreement’ that the other side has already rejected and they weren’t even present, sums up the absolute buffoonery that surrounds the US treatment of Israel, which is at the crux of the issue in the region.
Let's cover what Trump did here, it's his typical M.O. In 2017 he unilaterally moved the U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem expecting the initial outrage from Palestinians but with a clear agenda that later when he proposed his solution (which he did yesterday), the Palestinians would be so worried he'd take away even more that they would accept it. It's his typical M.O. with all his "deals" and the result will be the same as always... failure. And if the Palestinians don't he can blame them. And THIS is the central point. It is the archetypal mantra of people who try to defend the actions of Israel. "Oh well it's the Palestinians' fault, they should've accepted what they were offered before, they wouldn't be offered less now." Have you ever heard of any negotiations where one party says to another "If you don't take what we give you now we'll give you less next time. And it will be your fault!" Watch, you'll hear this from people on the radio and TV all today. The level of hubris and arrogance is unbelievable, and nobody challenges them on this. The fact that Palestinians have international law on their side. The fact that if Palestinians have rejected one-sided proposals which delivered less than what they're entitled to under international law, the natural next step in any negotiation is to compromise and offer more not less! And we as a country side with them on this lol. If this was the approach of any tinpot dictator in the world, the Americans and its allies would be all over them like a military rash. I wish Israelis would elect a centrist moderate government who would come up with something along the lines of the 1967 borders which the Palestinians have accepted and get a fair deal done. I would love to support Israel, I really really would, why not, it would be great for a middle-east where Israel and Palestine can live side by side and the riches that region could achieve with some good will and reconciliation which may take a generation or two to achieve. But as I've said earlier, we were on the cusp of that with Yitzak Rabin, but sadly he was silenced by a fanatic. And it's the fanatics who are always allowed to win over there.
