Hamza's being held because of his own legal moves. He's the one blocking his extradition to the US. I'd rather not have a terrorist hate-monger wandering about freely while he tries to prevent his own extradition, thanks. You don't count Westernised Mulsims as actual Muslims, so there's a distinct non-racial divide for you. My comment indicating your reaction to the two groups clearly wasn't based upon race. I'm not wrong about Hamza's extradition, as he wouldn't face the death penalty as a result of the revised UK/US extradition treaty. He can still face trial, but he can't be given capital punishment. Bush and Blair were found guilty in Malaysia? Yes, in a mock tribunal, conducted by a group of 8 people who have absolutely no power! Livni has no warrant, as you've accepted, so your point about all of them is completely null, isn't it? There's clearly no comparison to Abu Qatada who actually does have charges laid against him by 8 different countries. You're now trying to compare releasing people who face no charges to a country that's willing to accept them, with freeing someone who faces multiple charges in several countries. Different rules when it suits? No, different rules in completely different situations. You, on the other hand, are using different rules for the same situation. Abu Hamza is apparently allowed to appeal against verdicts, but those that don't agree with the Abu Qatada verdicts aren't. Why would that be, then? I'm not going to keep going over something that you're clearly wrong about. These people are being charged for terrorist offences. It has nothing to do with their ethnicity or religion at all. They are in the process of being charged and they are being locked up, but they keep appealing against verdicts that would see this happen. I accused you of backing terrorists for the simple reason that you're backing terrorists, as you've done in the past. Nothing racial, though your backing seems to be largely based upon their religion. Your comparison between domestic murderers and non-domestic terrorist is ludicrous. Where would any of those people have faced extradition to? All of their known crimes were committed in this country. They didn't move to another country, commit crimes there and then return. If they had, then they would have faced extradition, assuming there was a treaty between that country and the UK. Absolute nonsense. Qatada's extradition is to Jordan because of the timeline and seriousness of his offences there, I believe. They have the oldest charges against him.
The thing that puts me off the whole thing is the sites that appear when you search around. David Icke's pops up pretty early on, for example. Lots of conspiracy sites and stuff suggesting Satanism and massive cover-ups. Sounds a bit mental, frankly. It's a bit strange that there's virtually no sign of any mainstream coverage of it, though. All of the reports seem to come from one or two sources. Has nobody else looked into it?
Thats it mate no one will touch it. There was a wiki article and it got taken down. The BBC refuse to comment/report it. This thing is big and has very influential people blocking it. Remember the prime instigator to the cover up is Scotland's Lords Advocate our equivalent of the lord chief justice. If this thing breaks it could be devastating to the Scottish legal system and perhaps our own. Freemason's are at work here mate.
Yes lots of it, Locked away in the domain of the accused. The coroners verdict on her uncle alone needs an inquiry. Robert Green the individual fighting for justice has been hounded, and at this moment in time stands accused of breach if the peace for entering Scotland with no other motive than to stand for election to the Aberdeen council. Lots and lots of evidence gone missing, and why pay Hollie £13,000 from the criminal compensation fund for a crime that they will not admit happened. Disgrace.
Suicide by self-immolation does seem a little bit of a stretch, I must admit. The compensation claim is very odd, too. Neither are actual evidence of the abuse, though. What evidence has gone missing?
Detailed accounts of hollies interviews by the Police that were seized from Robert Greens home in Shrewsbury. 2 Notebooks with transcriptions of said interviews. The autopsy on Hollies uncle was not forthcoming and had to be obtained by other means. All of his computers were seized. Her father and brother both of whom are indicated in the abuse have been given a new life in Portugal. Her mother was subjected to a Mental Health test as they sought to discredit her. She also has sought refuge in England. The whole affair stinks dude if there is nothing to hide why all the cloak and dagger. Problem is this is big and has very influential people behind it who in my opinion are the scum of the earth. Read the update on Robrt Greens trial and make your own mind up.http://holliedemandsjustice.org/content/tag/robert-green/
I said it was big read this. Hollie Greig ( a little Downs Syndrome Girl) and 7 other known victims were systematically raped and tortured by a known *****phile ring. The *****phile ring included a judge, care workers, a policeman, an accountant and other leading men and women of Scotland. Robert Green was jailed in Aberdeen for reporting the story to the public. The Uncle of Hollie Greig was brutally murdered with what appears to be an axe handle. He was found dead in a burning car in a situation that appears to be arson. This was a few weeks after he reportedly walked in on Holly being sexually assaulted by her father. Scottish Lord Advocate, Elish Angiolini, has illegally used her influence to shut down any investigation and publicity of the Hollie Greig case. The Scottish Law firm of Levy & McRae has illegally sought to intimidate and influence witnesses and investigator Robert Green for reporting the matter. Alex Salmond, First Minister of Scotland has been made aware of Angiolini's methods and has failed to act in a way conducive to justice in these cases. The members of Scotland's Parliament have also been made aware of these injustices and have failed to take any action.
Not about this post but.... Did you not say the other day that me and Medro bored you by talking about the same things often?
Ciaran, you ****, (I mean that in the nicest way) read my links and say it's boring. If this story bores you then you are not human. By the way it's only the 2nd time I've mentioned it. ****.
Abu Hamza's being held awaiting extradition, having committed and been found guilty of a range of crimes in this country. He's in jail because he's preventing this extradition to face justice. You do know that he's actually admitted these crimes, don't you? You're claiming that I've made a distinction between Westerners and Muslims. I clearly haven't. You have and you admit that you have. This is obviously your prejudice and definitely not mine, regardless of how many times you repeat this baseless claim. Sorry. Hamza wouldn't be treated humanely? That remains to be seen. The ECHR has only blocked his extradition temporarily, while it reviews some of the aspects of the US prison system. The sticking points appear to be the length of sentence and solitary confinement, which is laughable, frankly. The Malaysian 'trial' of Bush and Blair was entirely mock. It had no power at all, no authority and was meant as nothing more than a symbolic gesture. Neither are wanted for any crimes in any country and the same applies to Livni. Absolutely no comparison. If you cannot see the difference between someone facing no criminal charges wanting to move to a country that's happy to accept him and someone facing charges in 8 countries doing the same, then you're utterly stupid. One is seeking to carry on with his life, while the other is looking to escape justice. Qatada and Hamza have both been charged with various offences in other countries. Qatada's already been tried, for ****'s sake! Both have lost attempts to avoid extradition and won them, too. You only appear to see the validity in the positive (from your point of view) outcomes, for some reason. Neither is being held illegally. Which other terrorists have you backed? Anjem Choudary, for a start. He's been a member of various organisations that have been closed down, starting with Al-Muhajiroun, who have strong links with terrorism and extremism. He admitted that he encourages terrorist attacks on countries other than the UK. Guess you don't count that though, eh? Abu Hamza isn't comparable to domestic murderers because he's facing extradition. That's it. That's why he's being held. It's nothing to do with race or religion. I believe that the hacker's crimes were essentially committed in the US. The computers that he hacked into were located there and owned and operated by the US government and it's various branches. He wasn't actually there himself, but that's not necessary to commit a crime there. A conspirator in a murder, for example, need never have set foot in the country that the crime's committed in. A treaty isn't needed for extradition. It helps, but it's not a necessity.
I didn't claim that Hamza shouldn't appeal against his extradition, so I'm not sure where you got that from. That's the reason that he's in jail in Britain, though. If he hadn't appealed, then he wouldn't be in Belmarsh. You do realise that when I said, "Muslim? Ok, regardless of actions. Western? Burn the heretic!", I was referring to your point of view, don't you? It's your distinction and it's one that you've admitted to using. The ECHR found that there may be questions about whether solitary confinement and an extremely long jail sentence are inhumane. That's what they mean when referring to possible mistreatment. Hamza's extradition has been put on hold while this is decided. They haven't found that it is. The Malaysian trial was totally symbolic and has no value. It's not supposed to. Qatada was tried by a court of law in absentia. It's not symbolic at all and it does have some authority here, which is why he's facing extradition. What law was changed for Livni? Was the law actually changed for the Pope's visit? I know that it was discussed. Qatada's being held because he's been accused of some very serious crimes in a number of other countries and he's fighting extradition to them. He hasn't just been picked up for no reason and kept in jail, so he shouldn't be lumped in with others facing completely different scenarios. I'm sure that he wouldn't want to go to a country that may kill him, but maybe he should've thought about that before becoming a terrorist? Not wanting to face justice isn't a valid reason to stay in this country, I'm afraid. Both Qatada and Hamza have had their extradition fought over for years. Each has faced ruling that they should be extradited and they've both appealed them and had their appeals overturned, before making and winning further appeals. You seem to only be able to accept the rulings in their favour They are being held legally. Anjem Choudary co-founded Al-Muhajiroun, which was closed down for it's links with terrorism. He admitted to encouraging individuals to instigate terrorist attacks upon the US in this interview: [video=youtube;A75Vg__GcqQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A75Vg__GcqQ[/video] 8.49 onwards: Interviewer: "Mr Choudary, are you communicating with individuals within the US and encouraging them to participate in attacks of this sort?" Choudary: "Of course I am!" This interview was conducted in response to the mail bomb attempts in late October, 2010.
I know you will argue this point as he does indeed say that in response to that question, however I think you will find that his answer was based on what went before re sharia and the bit about communicating with individuals within the US and not the latter part. In fact he says 'of course i am, you know , I am participating in communication with people all around the world, as you know the internet makes the world .......' and does go on about how his invitation is peaceful etc I do concede that what you have written is correct and it certainly appears as per your suggestion, although he does try and answer the latter part whilst the other fella is shouting at him However the attacks bit sint what he was responding to, After speaking to him it seems he jumped the gun due to the time delay PS regarding Abu Qatada, I think you should read up on the case rather than just posting your own assertions He was charged in absentia on 2 charges in Jordan and has maintained his innocence saying that the testimony used for the charges was obtained by torture. The reason his extradition has failed is that teh ECHR agrees with him. The charges against him were made in 98/99, yet he has been in britain since 93 and claimed asylum. which was granted in 94 Interestingly Norman Kember the Iraqi hostage posted bail for AQ, as AQ had called for his release Also of note is that he is actually not Jordanian by birth but from bethlehem, hence his wanting to move to palestine
