Who is this Toby you speak of? Has he been stealing my lines?? I though the hook bloke was deported to the US??
toby is the local '****' on GC, suprised you havent come across him well not come across him.... and no abu hamza haznt been deported as far as i know
Funny that...the title of the thread is tomorrow's Daily Mail headline. Imagine the Daily Mail reader's OUTRAGE tomorrow......
Just read on the BBC news pages that this fella has already had a decision by courts in london whereby it was decided not to deport It was the laords that tried to overturn this, and it seems even that has been defeated. Yet they continue The othe rinteresting and scary (imo) thing is that he doesnt have any criminal charges against him but as there is no case to answer he will have to be released from prison but kept under house arrest Kind of makes a mockery of the whole Justice, values and democracy arguments, doesnt it?
I actually agree with you on this. We can't have one rule for one and another for others. It's a slippery slope until everyone can be detained indefinently who may in some way be perceived to be a threat to society. Have MI5 keep an eye on him and if he is the **** they think he is he'll be planning to do something eventually we can lock him up for.
Whilst I'd generally be against holding someone against their will without evidence, it appears to be something that's been undertaken because they can't just kick him out. He's not an EU citizen, so he has no definitive right to be here in the first place. He's only here because he claimed asylum. I'm sure that he can find another country more suited to his needs, where he can continue to spread his delightful message in peace. "In one ruling that year, he said it was Islamically lawful to kill the wives and children of "apostates" - those who have rejected Islam - in order to stop the oppression in Algeria." Lovely.
hello PNP havent seen much of you so far this year The fact is he is being held without charge and even when he has to be released he will have to be under house arrest what he said or believes are not the issue here. If it was illegal charge him and try him and sentence him otherwise let him go abu hamza apparently has a british passport therefore IS a citizen and he too is in gaol having without charge seems like one rule for one etc
Abu Hamza's being held while his extradition to the US on terrorist charges is being sorted out. This is after serving his sentence for the 11 charges that he was found guilty of, including soliciting murder. Another non-EU citizen, whose UK passport should be revoked for his crimes in this country, let alone those that he's been accused of elsewhere. Any more terrorists you want to back, Fan?
point is he has served his sentence, done his time As i said IF they are terrorists then charge them and lock them up What you are missing here is that Abu qatada has been acquitted twice in the courts. why gaol? how about Babar Ahmad?
And now that he's done his time he should return to Egypt or be extradited to the US. I'm going to assume that neither of those is an appealing option for him. He's abused the kindness of his hosts, so now he should leave. His hatred has no place in this society. Why jail for Abu Qatada? Because he's a member of Al-Qaeda that's wanted in 8 countries, including his own. He was actually bailed, but he broke the conditions of that bail and it was revoked. The man's a hate-monger and a terrorist, clearly abusing the asylum system to avoid justice. Not particularly familiar with the Babar Ahmed case, but he's being held because of repeated appeals preventing a trial in America, isn't he?
Abu Hamza is a British citizen, so why deport him anywhere? His extradiction to the US is a violation of the laws of this country because america has the death penalty As far as abusing the kindness of his hosts, my understanding is his charges relate to threats outside the UK. However the point is he did the crime and did the time He is being held illegaly now for all extents and purposes. do we change the law to suit? Abu Qatada has never been charged, you say he is a member of alqaeda so charge him The evidence against qatada and his breaking of bail conditions was conducted in secret, neither he nor the media know the extent of why or what The extent of the known evidence is conjecture based on things like an MP3 player found in his house that 'MAY' have been used to communicate with his followers Even the SIAC judges said the 'evidence' was flimsy He was happy to leave Britain too, just not Jordan where it seems all the judges and courts have heard he would not be fairly tried The rest is just conjecture on your part as he has NOT been charged Babar Ahmad is London born an bred, he has never been charged either, he is awaiting extradition to the Us for alleged involvement in websites supporting Chechen and Afghan insurgents. The US does not need to provide evidence to ask for extradition and the Uk law has said there is no evidence to charge Babar He was going to be extradited and was refused leave of appeal, only hasnt been due to the ECHR 'freezing' the situation Babr was awarded £60 000 after it was proven that he was subjected to severe beatings by police officer, yet the officers charged were acquitted as the MI5 bug in Babrs house didnt pick up any screaming His conversations with his MP whilst inside were also bugged, a case bought but apparently 'nothing wrong had been done'
Abu Hamza's a British Citizen via marriage. He's also a hate-monger who's been convicted of 11 different offences and accused of a ton more, including terrorism. He was jailed for encouraging the murder of non-Muslims and inciting racial hatred in this country. Why should the citizens of this country continue to allow him to stay here, let alone support him financially? He's not being held illegally. He can leave to the US whenever he wants. Abu Qatada's not in Al-Qaeda? The UN disagrees. His fellow terrorists disagree, as they asked for his release. He's happy to leave Britain, but not to about half of the other countries in the world, who all want to charge him with terrorist offences. I don't agree with the UK/US extradition treaty. I'm not sure why you're comparing Babar Ahmad's case with that of two obvious hate-mongers, though.
