Isak > Wilson

[Fox Mulder]

"He's a flop"
"Made of thin air"
"Adds nothing"
"The guy is a dud"

All very strong direct quotes.

You can't just add "so far" to the above and still pretend you also supported him and saw that he has talent. If you do then it's just plain hypocritical.

so, "He's a dud but has ability."

Dud:
a thing that fails to work properly or is otherwise unsatisfactory or worthless.
"all three bombs were duds"

Even with the "so far"...

"He's a dud so far but has ability."

Flop:
A total failure. be completely unsuccessful; fail totally.

"He's a total failure, but has ability".
Or even
"He's a total failure so far, but has ability."

"Failure"? He scored goals and was then injured. How Is that a "failure" - or a "dud" - even with "so far" added?

And no, it's not my lack of understanding of what "so far" means. "Failure" and "dud" do not match Isak's contribution up to the Wolves game.

So either YOU don't understand English language, OR as I've said previously, you are just WUMMING.

You think you are right.
I think you are being a different word altogether.

Time to put this one to bed mate, we won't agree. Well, unless you agree that you are WUMMING.

None of that was said in such a narrow way and as I explained at the time there's a huge difference between what I said and your brains interpretation

Unfortunately you've demonstrated this once again

Ironically I would say you're on the wind-up

 

[Darth Plagueis]

Isak looks incredibly impressive. So much skill and pace.

 

[Charlie Snakescock]

None of that was said in such a narrow way and as I explained at the time there's a huge difference between what I said and your brains interpretation

Unfortunately you've demonstrated this once again

Ironically I would say you're on the wind-up

Munson, if you're going to patronise people's intelligence, then learn how to use full stops.

 

[Fox Mulder]

Munson, if you're going to patronise people's intelligence, then learn how to use full stops.

Excuse me but I've been reading your insults towards me the past week or so and I'm not patronising anyone I'm defending my position which has been misunderstood.

 

[Charlie Snakescock]

Excuse me but I've been reading your insults towards me the past week or so and I'm not patronising anyone I'm defending my position which has been misunderstood.

Hasn't been misunderstood, it was just taken at face value for what it was. And a Stalinist re-writing of history doesn't change that.

 

[Fox Mulder]

Hasn't been misunderstood, it was just taken at face value for what it was. And a Stalinist re writing of history doesn't change that.

It has been misunderstood because you are making a fallacious claim and omitting the key aspect which was 'so far'

You've instead perceived it as me saying Isak 'is' a complete waste of money and useless which isn't the same thing .

I told you the difference between the two at time actually.

Essentially I'm not that stupid

 

[Obi Wan]

None of that was said in such a narrow way and as I explained at the time there's a huge difference between what I said and your brains interpretation

Unfortunately you've demonstrated this once again

Ironically I would say you're on the wind-up

He's a flop at this point regardless of the reasons or explanations.

60 million and done nowt

So far they're unable to do anything else because he's not done anything.

People are now after me for telling them their new lover boy has flopped so far.

He has flopped so far .

I refer you to my previous post

The guys a dud so far.... I stress so far

There, the actual quotes. Yes they include "so far" - some of which were edited in after your original post, mind.

No, it's not the "so far" bit that I don't get.

I'm saying that "failure" and "dud" are not correct terms for Isak, even prior to the Wolves game.

He DID look good & sharp.
He DID add pace and directness to our attack.
He DID score.
And then he got injured.

How is that failure or being a dud?

 

[Charlie Snakescock]

It has been misunderstood because you are making a fallacious claim and omitting the key aspect which was 'so far'

You've instead perceived it as me saying Isak 'is' a complete waste of money and useless which isn't the same thing .

I told you the difference between the two at time actually.

Essentially I'm not that stupid

But even the "so far" element is complete rubbish, as he'd got 3 goals which had got us a point from the Bournemouth game and won us the Fulham game, thus giving us 4 points directly attributable to him. And that's as well as playing well before being out with a lengthy injury.

 

[Fox Mulder]

There, the actual quotes. Yes they include "so far" - some of which were edited in after your original post, mind.

No, it's not the "so far" bit that I don't get.

I'm saying that "failure" and "dud" are not correct terms for Isak, even prior to the Wolves game.

He DID look good & sharp.
He DID add pace and directness to our attack.
He DID score.
And then he got injured.

How is that failure or being a dud?

Thanks for highlighting the so far and at this point.

If you two don't understand the significance of that aspect then I'm afraid that's not not problem in all honesty

Jesus

 

[Fox Mulder]

But even the "so far" element is complete rubbish, as he'd got 3 goals which had got us a point from the Bournemouth game and won us the Fulham game, thus giving us 4 points directly attributable to him. And that's as well as playing well before being out with a lengthy injury.

That's a separate discussion mate and imo that's not anywhere near money well spent . That comes down to opinion... we are both allowed to differ in opinion on what represents value aren't we ?

He's starting to live up to his price tag now even the media is saying it

 

[Obi Wan]

Thanks for highlighting the so far and at this point.

If you two don't understand the significance of that aspect then I'm afraid that's not not problem in all honesty

Jesus

No mate you are missing your own interpretation if the words "dud" and "failure".

Jesus.

 

[mickeybnufc]

May I as one of advanced years,with said years of experience play the Devils Advocate here, you should both feck off

 

[Fox Mulder]

No nate you are mussing your own interpretation if the words "dud" and "failure".

Jesus.

No because there's a difference

1. You're a dud
2. So far you've been a dud .

 

[Fox Mulder]

May I as one of advanced years,with said years of experience play the Devils Advocate here, you should both feck off

I absolutely agree but unfortunately my haters will continue

 

[Obi Wan]

No because there's a difference

1. You're a dud
2. So far you've been a dud .

Well I'm neither, so I find that highly offensive.

 

[Fox Mulder]

Well I'm neither, so I find that highly offensive.

It was just an example mate

 

[Charlie Snakescock]

That's a separate discussion mate and imo that's not anywhere near money well spent . That comes down to opinion... we are both allowed to differ in opinion on what represents value aren't we ?

He's starting to live up to his price tag now even the media is saying it

Seeing as he's only been here 6 months, it's very hard to say what "living up to his price tag" constitutes.

Did he start of well and get goals? Yes
Did he get a lengthy injured that stunted his progress? Yes
When he came back did he look like he (understandably) needed some time to get back to get back to his best? Yes
Despite not being in full fitness, did he win us the Fulham match? Yes
Is he now looking awesome? Yes

I really don't see how "waste of money" applies to any moment of his time here.

 

[Fox Mulder]

Seeing as he's only been here 6 months, it's very hard to say what "living up to his price tag" constitutes.

Did he start of well and get goals? Yes
Did he get a lengthy injured that stunted his progress? Yes
When he came back did he look like he (understandably) needed some time to get back to get back to his best? Yes
Despite not being in full fitness, did he win us the Fulham match? Yes
Is he now looking awesome? Yes

I really don't see how "waste of money" applies to any moment of his time here.

We can both look for evidence to bolster our opinions.

He cost 60 million it was mid march.

What you see as value for the price and what I see were obviously poles apart.

He's now starting to prove his worth and the media are saying the same thing which implies he wasn't previously All opinions though.

 

[Charlie Snakescock]

We can both look for evidence to bolster our opinions.

He cost 60 million it was mid march.

What you see as value for the price and what I see were obviously poles apart.

He's now starting to prove his worth and the media are saying the same thing which implies he wasn't previously All opinions though.

He'd still done nothing wrong up to that point though - had come into the side, got goals, got sidelined by a bad injury, and come back into the side and was scoring again and getting back to full strength.

Valuations can only be assessed over a significant time period* - otherwise in August 2012 we'd have been able to confidently say Papiss Cisse was our best striker of all time.

*There are obviously exceptions to this role, ie after 10 games of seeing the likes of Luque, Marcelino, Riviere, Boumsong etc, we could easily conclude they were a waste of money and we're never going to get better....Isak was nothing like these however and had played well.

 

[Obi Wan]

He'd still done nothing wrong up to that point though - had come into the side, got goals, got sidelined by a bad injury, and come back into the side and was scoring again and getting back to full strength.

Valuations can only be assessed over a significant time period* - otherwise in August 2012 we'd have been able to confidently say Papiss Cisse was our best striker of all time.

*There are obviously exceptions to this role, ie after 10 games of seeing the likes of Luque, Marcelino, Riviere, Boumsong etc, we could easily conclude they were a waste of money and we're never going to get better....Isak was nothing like these however and had played well.

Did Marcelino play 10 games?