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Is Vettel an unpopular winner?

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  1. TomTom94

    TomTom94 Well-Known Member

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    Two World Wars and one World Cup

    doo dah

    doo dah
     
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  2. SgtBhaji

    SgtBhaji Well-Known Member

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    That's the spirit. :p

    "Hums some Dam Busters*
     
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  3. Han Shot First

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    People boo Vettel because he's just too good. Much like people booed Alonso when he was winning in a good car.

    Vettel is the 2nd coming of Prost, if he's leading a race, then it's almost certain he'll win the race, barring mechanical issues.
     
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  4. 2xwdcslayer

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    HMMM, RB6.RB7.RB8,RB9 and if not for the Brawn getting the jump on the rest in 2009 with the rest of the teams waiting for clarity regards the Honda DD legality then we might have seen the RB5 driven by a rookie winning the 2009 WDC as in the end Vettel was less than 10 points behind JB. As i said Newey super machines which in the hands of Alonso,Hamilton and maybe Kimi the same could be achieved or better.

    BTW, Massa has just tweeted on twitter that he will not be driving for Ferrari in 2014
     
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  5. Han Shot First

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    Typical Hamelot. It's always the car, never the driver.

    Red Bull are accumulating the best of everything, why would they just have an average driver in the fastest car?

    Take your blinkers off.
     
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  6. SgtBhaji

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    Chuffing Hamephobe!!! :p
     
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  7. SgtBhaji

    SgtBhaji Well-Known Member

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    Spot on.... We'll never know how any of the other top drivers would stack up against him in the RBR, but RBR sure as hell aren't going to keep Vettel as their lead driver if they thought they might have a better option. Red Bull are there to win as a team, not just to make one person look good.

    Vettel is very fortunate to be in a team that functions as well as RBR though... but you can't hold that against him. Any other driver would jump at the chance.
     
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  8. 51LV3R8RR04

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    Helmut has come out in the past saying he didn't expect him to be this good and at such a young age he is still yet to peak (2-3 years away) :)
     
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  9. St. Slicks of Stoneham

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    I think there is more to the booing of Vettel than just the fact that he's winning so much. Whilst he comes across as a likeable sort of bloke, something he tries very hard to portray, there's also something about him which is easy to dislike. Maybe it's just the arrogance, not unusual in a driver, or just something indefinable about his character. I've noticed a lot of journo's have criticised Hamilton's emotional outbursts recently, but that's nothing compared to the sulking that Vettel can spout when things don't go his way. Then there is the way that he treats other drivers asking for them to be told to get out of his way for example, and blaming others for his errors. I think also that although we know Vettel is a brilliant driver he's been developed at Red Bull as much as the car. He's more 'at one' with that car than any other driver in the field and it shows in the level of confidence he has, e.g. the start at Spa.
    Then there is the factor that many people may dislike Christian Horner and the all dominating Red Bull Racing domination of motorsports. All in all, whereas, you can understand the pathetic jeering Hamilton gets in Spain for reasons we all know, booing Vettel can't be only down to the fact he keeps on winning.
     
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  10. El_Bando

    El_Bando Can't remember, where was I?
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    you can tell Dr Bellend's influence on him sometimes...
     
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  11. notDistantGreen

    notDistantGreen Well-Known Member

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    I seem to remember that in his early days, Vettel was regarded as a cheerful breath of fresh air in F1.

    I doubt he's managed to change his personality, so the change of attitude towards him must be mainly down to the monotonously high number of wins he's getting due to being an excellent driver in a truly exceptional car.

    It is a bit boring but doesn't deserve booing. What's he supposed to do? Lose a few times to give the others a chance? I don't think anyone on the grid is likely to do that.

    Roll on the new regulations I say. Let's hope someone other than Red Bull get it right for a change, hopefully several of them...... or maybe just the Mercedes engine makers.
     
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  12. BrightLampShade

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    Just remembered that Williams are going to Mercedes next year so a Merc power and economy advantage works for me <ok>

    Reliability would also be nice :D
     
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  13. Justjazz

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    Vettel is a good driver in a brilliant car....webber confirms that with regular podiums despite poor starts. Alonso is a brilliant driver in a not so good car and Lewis is an exciting driver in a mediocre car. The result is not the best driver wins but vettel has deserved some. But the result is a rerun of those boring Schumacher years...hence the boos...we are bored and it is not good for the sport. No matter how arrogant or humble vettel would be the reaction would be the same.
     
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  14. colinsmith11

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    I think its quite unfair how Vettel gets booed. Yes he has made mistakes and has flaws but everyone does. Mark Webber is certainly no slouch and Fernando is much faster than him so to say its all the car with Vettel is a bit naive. I think he is every bit as good a driver as Alonso and Hamilton.
     
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  15. SgtBhaji

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    I'm not sure it's anything to do with how humble he is or isn't, it could possibly be the perceived ease with which he wins too.

    A good number of his wins follow a similar formula of getting out front and controlling the win. There's very little excitement in that for your general fan. If he was fighting wheel to wheel more frequently (which isn't his fault) and winning frequently following a good scrap... he might be subject to less booing.

    The thing is, it's down to the other teams to catch him, so maybe it should be those teams being booed for failing.

    As for Vettel's personality... to me it's pretty neutral. He comes across as neither highly likeable or particularly dislikable. But to be honest, who watches racing for the popularity contest?
     
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  16. StoneRosesRam

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    I think you've hit the nail on the head here, I don't think most rationally minded F1 fans mind Vettel winning so long as there's some entertainment along the way rather like last year it's when the races at the front get decided as soon as he breaks free of the DRS on lap 3 of a race. At the end of the day we shouldn't begrudge him his success they all want the same thing but it can get incredibly boring if one guy is winning races with the same strategy each time and that is always going to lead to fans being disillusioned with a driver or team.

    I also don't buy into the personality argument about why people boo him, are Alonso and Hamilton really more engaging and likeable characters? Look at Mansell he had hardly the most endearing personality yet he was massively popular with the British and Italian fans.
     
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  17. SgtBhaji

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    Mansell may not have come across as "Mr. Personality" off track, but on track he was Mr. Drama. He could make a simple overtake look spectacular by sticking 2 wheels off the track or by picking the harder route around his opponent. A pure joy to watch.

    Vettel can seem quite stereotypically German on the track sometimes, with his highly controlled and efficient way of winning. It lacks drama and theatre for the spectator. (Again... not something that he's at fault for.)

    If he was dominating in his current manner, with a dash of drama... He'd likely be regarded higher. But his success is perceived as easy and boring by many it seems.
     
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  18. El_Bando

    El_Bando Can't remember, where was I?
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    you mean he has left his beach towel on the top step of the podium ready for the next race?
     
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  19. SgtBhaji

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    LOL.. he might as well. :D
     
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  20. sotonlad

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    I personally don't have a problem with vettel he clearly isn't the best driver on the track and isn't the most exciting to watch. He clearly has the quickest car and the backing of the team which has earned him 3 almost 4 world championships I just think it's becoming a one man show and that's what annoys people. Going back to the late 90s when Schumacher one everything viewing numbers were at a all time low and I feel the same will happen again. Would vettel be able to win a championship in a merc/ Ferrari probably not but I would like to see him jump ship and give it a go.
     
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