explain to me how i resorted to personal abuse,you were the one that accused me of calling you a Liar,i hate the smell of coffee as much as one eyed football supporters who are just looking for a argument,it would not have mattered if coleman had grabbed hoilett by the testicles and swung him over his shoulder you would still say it wasn't a foul,
Same thing goes for Park, he can have a 7 out of 10 game and Oslo would rate him a 4 just because he hates him.
I don't hate Park, I don't know the bloke! I say what I think about his football performances for us, which I think (like many people) have been well under the level needed all season even though Hughes starts him every game. You got a problem with that - I thought we were all on here to talk about football? You are especially critical of SWP - I thought that was because of his football, or do you hate him?
You come on this thread and tell me I'm saying things for "effect" - which for me is the same as saying I'm lying. I shouldn't have to say this, but I don't say things "for effect" nor do I write lies. I just write what I think we all were doing, what we think about the football, and in this case how I saw the penalty situation. Isn't this what this forum is all about? I don't see that someone like you who I don't know, or even see post much, has any reason to call me a liar or tell me that I am trying to effect something or other? When you have an opinion about a penalty, would you be happy if some b*st*rd you don't even know calls you a liar? You wouldn't, and you should cut that cr*p out. I didn't think it was a pen on Hoillet when I first saw it live, and after seeing all the slow motion replays which showed Coleman took the ball, I still don't think it was. If he'd grabbed Hoillets balls and swung him over his shoulder, yes of course penalty. But he didn't.
I have a problem with you going on about him even when he plays as well as the others. I would fully admit if SWP has a good game but I think the only good game hes had has been his debut.
I got a problem with Park because I haven't seen him play well for us, though first few games he did seem to work harder, which I think I said back then. I'd love to see him play well, but for me it hasn't happened yet. If / when it does I will have absolutely no problem saying it. Long time since I remember SWP having a good game too, but his speed at least seems to at least worry defenders and draw them in freeing up others, even if nothing usually comes of it.
I thought Park did ok the other night especially in the first half. I agree he has generally been disappointing since the first few games but was definitely improved on Sunday.
The last game was Parks 1st game in his correct position and he did at least as well as Taarabt. He was very unlucky not to score the winner when a defender made a great block. Give him at least half a dozen games in his correct position before you have to slag him off in every post.
Ill admit he hasnt been great but him and Boswinga were a cut above the Baines/Pienaar combo and we should all be happy with that. I would have taken cancelling those 2 out.
I said before Baines had a a quiet game, and maybe that was to Park's credit, though I didn't see that he did much at all, don't remember him getting a tackle in, and offensively he was barely visible. I believe Moyes moved Penaar more into the middle of their midfield which weakened Everton's left more than whatever Park did. I can't see why he's starting games at all, and hope Hughes leaves him out. I think we have a number of better alternatives than him wide right.
The alternatives are Mackie and SWP, thats it. Hoilett and Taarabt are left sided players. Have you thought he might have moved Pienaar because he was getting no change from Park and Boswinga? Thats what usually happens when someone has you in their pocket all game.
Granero, Diakite, Cisse are all also alternatives right midfield in there different ways, and depending how we set up. All 5 are better than Park IMO. Ephraim is another alternative, but it's been a long time since I saw him! I think Penaaar started in the middle, but I don't watch the opposition so much!
None of those are right wingers/midfielders. Ephraim is but hes terrible. Playing Diakite at RW is an insane idea, as is Granero when he was MOTM in the middle. Cisse doesnt like playing out wide either and we would have been killed down that side by their players. http://espnfc.com/uk/en/gamecast/345772/gamecast.html?soccernet=true&cc=5739 Neville and Osman were in the middle, Pienaar was LW.
as i said before you can take it how you like, i also dont know you,have no wish to meet you i'm entitled to an opinion, i post when i want how i want, your entitled to your opinion,but as we all know opinions are like A*seoles we all have one, and your ours
I don't want to intrude on all this arguing....but to be fair to oslo..........replays clearly show Coleman just touching the ball first. So it was the right decision, although I don't for one minute think that the ref saw the touch on the ball....he just bottled it!
Have a look at the LFW thread then Flyer, there there's a few of us going with Hoillet right side of a 3. If Hughes moved M'bia into midfield and played a 4 3 3 he could have Diakite, M'bia and Ale in a solid back 3, and Granero, Cisse and Adel in the front 3, with Hoillet in reserve. Or with a 4 5 1 he could have Daikite, M'bia, Granero, Ale and Adel in the 5, with Hoillet available as an alternative in there or as the striker. These and other formations seem very conceivable to me with Granero and / or Diakite right side of midfield. Granero's crossing accuracy would make him a very good right midfield player, give us the acurate crosses we are missing from the right, (Beckham but better!), and with Ale and Adel providing bullets from central positions and Hoillet on the left it could work good. Diakite's running power should also work well wide right.
Hughes doesnt play a 433, hes only ever played 442, 451, 4141 or 4411. He likes at least 2 banks of 4 for the opposition to get through. Have a look at the LFW ratings for the season, you keep on about Cisse and Hill playing but they are rated far worse than Park who is also ahead of SWP and Mackie. 1 Rob Green 4.40 2 Samba Diakite 5.08 3 Armand Traore 5.89 4 Shaun Derry 4.14 5 Anton Ferdinand 4.86 6 Clint Hill 4.66 7 Ji-Sung Park 5.40 8 Andrew Johnson 5.87 9 Djibril Cisse 4.61 11 Shaun Wright-Phillips 4.84 12 Jamie Mackie 4.45 14 Esteban Granero 7.19 15 Nedum Onuoha 5.02 17 Ryan Nelsen 6.86 18 Kieron Dyer 6.84 19 Jose Bosingwa 6.20 20 Fabio Da Silva 4.90 23 David Hoilett 5.95 25 Bobby Zamora 5.95 32 Alejandro Faurlin 6.65 33 Julio Cesar 7.18 40 Stéphane Mbia 5.61 10 Adel Taarabt 6.67
What fans think is a penalty is totally different to refs, managers and the MOTD crew. Whiskey face had the nerve to say his team had to battle against the ref when he never gave them a pen for a blatant dive. It shouldnt be a pen if it didnt stop them playing the ball or was accidental. Derrys wasnt a pen and neither was treading on the foot.
I agree. I have hated this penalty ruling since 1998, at least I think that's when it started. Owen went over the Argy goalies leg? Contact in the box should not always result in a pen. This is not the case anywhere else on the pitch and lame sendings off result in a lesser game. Sort it out, this ruling is rubbish. And while I'm at it... does anyone remember Sir Les getting sent off at Liverpool back in the day for shooting at goal after not genuinley not hearing the refs whistle? These mindless decisions effectively end the game. It's a **** rule.
