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Is the world at a dangerous crossroad?

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  1. AshtonRed

    AshtonRed Well-Known Member

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    That’s ok then, my bad, kill all of them.
     
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    By a small majority in 2006. There has been no election since in Gaza. The opposition party Fatah ceased to exist. Hamas post election murdered hundreds of Fatah supporters and political representatives.
     
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  3. Angelicnumber16

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    The people Germany weren’t all Nazis in 1939 but the Germans invaded Poland and other countries spreading their evil

    Should we have let that go as well ?

    Because if we had, the world would look very different today

    There are always innocent civilians that get caught up in all wars but that’s what happens when cowards hide behind their people and have their bases in, and underneath public buildings

    And those protesting on the streets of our cities, calling for Jihad and hanging Palestinian flags from our monuments should be deported under the terrorism act.

    Thank God that Corbyn didn’t get to be Prime Minister otherwise we’d all have to sympathise with the barbaric acts of October 7th which were disgusting
     
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  4. Reliant Robin TC2

    Reliant Robin TC2 Well-Known Member

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    In my view, it is very simplistic and ANYONE living and working in a war zone is at risk whether they like it or not.

    You can try to minimise civilian casualties as much as you like but they will ALWAYS be directly involved. This is especially so when there is an organisation such as Hamas that uses civilian infrastructure as a shield.

    Anyone who thinks/believes that civilians can be separated from an ongoing war must be living in cloud cuckoo land!!
     
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  5. realred1952

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    Russia's central bank has put up its key interest rate to 15% to try to curb inflation and bolster a weak rouble.
    The higher-than-expected rate hike of two percentage points raises borrowing costs for the fourth time in a row.
    Globally the pace of price rises has been high, in part due to Russia's invasion of Ukraine. Inflation in Russia hit 6% in September.
    There has also been increased government spending in Russia as it pours resources into its war machine.
    The Bank of Russia, the country's central bank, has now raised rates by 7.5 percentage points since July as it seeks to get inflation back down to its 4% target

    blimey we had that rate in the 70's and 80's !!!! ............


    Gaza is an area of uncontrolled lawllessness!
    In nature species [ and Humans are a species ] adapt to the surroundings and supply of necessary resources like food and habitat! Birds may have 1 or 2 broods depending on likely food supply, some animals dont have more than 1 offspring when times are hard, or concentrate making sure at least 1 will survive! Take bee's the worlds most influential provider of polinated foods! when there is enough in the hive 1 or to buzzz off and swarm to make another colony!
    Gaza ........... it is very sad when they interview a person and they say lost their 7 of their children parents a wife a couple of cousins etc when their flat was destroyed .. lesson here is most flats [ nearly all dwellings are ] house double figure occupants! so a block of 40 flats may have as many as 300+ people living there when designed only for maybe 200? Exasperated if one family escapes their flat being destroyed and they move in with other relations!
    Point HERE IS no population control, so dense people per sq ??? and in circumstances without control action can only get worse. Palestine should have its own "country / state" problem is an area that allows for maybe 2 million to live happily ever after is becoming impossible as population explodes.
    I am not saying the war is good to curb the population, far from it my point is that until there is a stable "community" [ population ] with areas set aside for food production/ industry etc it will be a pipe dream. Palestine and Israel have both had the same opportunities to become first class populations [ countries ] industry etc wise Palestinians have wasted the time on bitterness and self inflicted torment.

    Latest news is that the area of north Gaza still has 400,000 people living / staying there .. that area is, looking at it territorially able to support maybe a population of maybe 800,000 to 1 million people? but 2/3rds of original number have flee'd to the south 2m? + and more than half actually wanted Hamas who when voted in started eliminated the opposition and will not have elections!
     
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  6. realred1952

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    “I have a whole family of at least 20 people to provide for. ... comments like this make for the reasons there is so much heartache and such a high death toll.
    Makes you wonder whether the Arab nations who want a ceasefire which will allow Hamas to regroup / rearm etc would be willing to allow a million or so Palastinians to set up homes in their country? would Lebanon and Yemen say there is 4000 sq miles please build a community [ 1.5m people! ] on it that will prosper and become part of the world family
     
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    Independent research suggests that as of October, 76 cases of railway sabotage had reached Russian courts since the invasion last year.
    The MoD said in its daily briefing on the war that Russia's military logistics "remain reliant on the country's 33,000km of railway line".
    "With virtually all methods of overt dissent banned in Russia, sabotage continues to appeal to a minority of young people as a method of protest against the 'special military operation'," it added.

    Seems like there is a growing movement against the "war" younger element disrupting the railways and 3 ? anti Putrid/war movements active. Note of late the regular drone attacks toward Moscow have stopped! A tactic? can low for a period and any investigations to those responsible will all have "dead ends" ?

    60 attacks against power grids etc in last few weeks probably led to Ukraine targetting a Kalibr missile ship. Seems for now the bridge is being left alone? Unless the countless attacks against Crimea are part of "failed attempts " to damage it?

    Putrid has decided he wants another 6 years in power, might as well save a few trn roubles on election campaign and just declare himself the outright winner at 98% of the fixed vote!
     
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    I understand Israel’s desire to eradicate Hamas after the terrible attack, however what they are engaged in I fear will never be successful, violence breed’s violence, regardless of the wrights and wrongs. Even if , for the sake of argument, they achieve their objectives, the Palestinians who’ve seen their loved ones killed and the whole of Gaza bombed and flattened will at some point form Hamas 2, or whatever it calls itself and so the cycle continues. Ultimately they only way forward is for both sides to talk, I think actually Isreal has played into the hands of Hamas, I’m no expert but could Hamas have wanted the response they’ve had as it makes a peaceful 2 state solution even more unlikely?
     
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    We will never interperet the thinking of out and out murderous butchers that think nothing of human life except if they do " as they are wished to do!" they go to their equivalent of heaven / paradise!
    Various estimates of the tunnels under Gaza vary 300 miles was one quote! They are likely to be more than just passageways but command centres and storage units/ areas .. they can pop up behind Israeli soldiers and disappear in a flash .. so eliminating this structure is a must.
    Modern day magnetometers can be hung from drones and likely underground passages identified. A complete map of all the tunnels could be possible! Hence the number of big hits on some buildings or close to are the main reason so much damage.
     
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    The thrust of my post still stands though, whilst I understand why they are doing what they are doing, it will only prolong the conflict and is therefore playing into Hamas hands as a peace between the two states is their undoing. Hamas thrives on division and that’s exactly what the present actions are creating.
     
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    herein you have 3 states not 2 Hamas has always had the ultra evil streak , when they came to power it was individuals that were not of the mind set of ALL Hamas [party members] who had been evil, or so it was thought. The Palistinians were actually duped!! Instead of negotiating a plan, for peace, the evil side gradually took over on the premise we need to rid Palestine of the Jews! egged on by Iran etc. The tunnels were their defence/ is their defence... they have fired rockets toward Israel and then bolted underground out of harms way ..any retaliation would mean the civilian building they hide under is the target.
    These tunnels need destroying, especially in the north where a link to Lebanon is a massive danger................
     
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    Talks or mediation require two sides, each with the desire to talk.

    When you have an organisation such as Hamas, where it’s leaders deny that any civilians were targeted/killed in the October attack, what hope is there for them to talk. For whatever reason, they seem to have no interest or desire to talk peacefully unless it gives them the time to regroup.
     
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    this is a key to why Israel do not contemplate a ceasefire .. a bit like all evil doers .. take Putrid for example ... denies he is at war ... and denies the population the truth about nearly 200,000 killed What was the last figure ? ..under 10,000? lost in translation ... that was a month's total!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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  14. Angelicnumber16

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    Wouldn’t trust them an iota
    They’re driven by a total hatred of Israel and the west, and there’s loads of their supporters in Europe and in America
    They have no compassion and no regard for human life, including their own people
     
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    I'm certain that folk on these marches don't have a clue of a solution because I'm not sure there is one.
    You need 2 to tango, Hamas and co will never agree to a state of Israel.

    When will an extremist nutter kill UK citizens ?
    That's where these protests are heading.
     
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  16. Angelicnumber16

    Angelicnumber16 Well-Known Member

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    We’ve got we we deserve by opening our country to millions of people who don’t share our western values and would like to see us all slaughtered
    And now it’s too late to do anything about it
    Thanks Tony Blair
     
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  17. invermeremike

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    Many years ago I met a man in Fuerteventura who would go absolutely berserk at the mere mention of Tony Blair and so I would only speak out of turn when I wanted to get him going. The problem was that I had no idea of why he hated the man so severely but your comment appears to have solved my lack of birth country news by saying that he alone was the culprit in creating the clear and obvious problem of over-immigration by allowing one and all to arrive on the shores. Canada was built by bringing in large numbers of refugees from various trouble spots around the globe at different times, including 1.2 million Ukrainians fleeing the Russian Revolution back in the early 1900's. Filling the second largest country in the world that has a current population of 40 million is a totally different kettle of fish than the U.K. where space is hard to find and now you have ethnic enclaves that in all reality don't have your best interests at heart. Someone threw out a statistic many years ago that by 2050 the U.K. would have less than 50% British born residents to the more than half being immigrants from all over the world. Messy situation that one day will explode and I just hope that isn't literally. Thanks Tony from my friend Keith. :cry:
     
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  18. Angelicnumber16

    Angelicnumber16 Well-Known Member

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    Blair
    Campbell
    Mandelson

    all guilty of the absolute mess and social and economic chaos this has produced let alone over running the security services
    Wave an Iraqi, Palestinian, Pakistani flag and you will get away with it
    Dare to carry a Union Jack or the cross of St George you’re labelled as a far right extremism
    The country has truly lost its mind and sense of decency and British values
    We’ve lost all trace of common sense over so many things
     
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    Angelic, not just Blair.

    Bristol and Bath moved here just in the last year.
    And they wonder why we don't have enough houses having to continually build on green fields.
     
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  20. AshtonRed

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    So what is the end game?, unless they kill every Palestinian, flattening Gaza and killing Palestinian civilians will only fuel hatred towards Israel amongst normal Palestinians and encourage extremism, this is the best recruitment tool imaginable for terrorist groups like Hamas.

    World leaders need to take a step back, see the bigger picture, and do all in their power to de-escalate this as soon as possible.
     
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