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Is Lionel Messi really the greatest player of all time?

Discussion in 'Hull City' started by luvsports!, Nov 26, 2013.

  1. tigerscanada

    tigerscanada Well-Known Member

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    You should be ashamed - you left out Figo :emoticon-0105-wink:
     
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  2. bum_chinned_crab

    bum_chinned_crab Well-Known Member

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    For me Best is, along with Rooney, the most overated player in history. If you asked football fans in south america about Best I bet they havent got a fookin clue who he is. We only know about him cos he played well for Utd for about 5 of his 11 seasons there. That does not make him one of the best players of all time. He couldve been one of the best but that's not the same thing.

    For me, Diego is by far and away the best player to ever play the game. Nobody even comes remotely close to the impact 1 player had on otherwise ****e teams that he played in.

    Maldini was nowhere near as good as Baresi. Not in a million years.
     
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  3. Quill

    Quill Bastard

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    I was about to type that...

    Rui Costa weren't that bad either. Certainly not a 'all time best' player, but he was a great one.
     
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  4. tigerscanada

    tigerscanada Well-Known Member

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    I hear Ben Johnson was a good runner too !!
     
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  5. HFFP

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    I didn't want to be called biased haha but he was
     
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  6. tigerscanada

    tigerscanada Well-Known Member

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    But would he have head-butted Graeme Souness ?
     
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  7. Quill

    Quill Bastard

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    Who knows? Zizou was a very unstable character.

    He headbutted Materazzi for saying something about his sister. Souness I presume would say far worse.
     
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  8. bum_chinned_crab

    bum_chinned_crab Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, I hear that coke makes you a genius with the ball at your feet.....
     
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  9. tigerscanada

    tigerscanada Well-Known Member

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    touche - but not as a 17-21 year old ?
     
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  10. C'mon ref

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    Not totally true BMC, he went on to help revitalise Fulham for a while, along with Rodney Marsh then went on to America, along with Rodney Marsh, and before you, or anyone mock, lets not forget that players the calibre of Gerd Muller, Franz Beckenbauer, Pele, Johan Cruyff, Carlos Alberto, Jurgen Klinsman (as a coach I believe) to name a few, also went there as well. As for South America well I would be surprised if no one had heard of 'El Beatle' as Best was knick named but in those day Europe ruled the footballing world, with the exception of Brazil who were the all time supreme champions and masters.
     
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  11. bum_chinned_crab

    bum_chinned_crab Well-Known Member

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    Every single one of the players you have named going to the US there went for:
    a) The money
    b) the lifestyle
    c) to wind down and earn (a) again as they head to retirment. It was not like the MLS now and the games were more like Legends XI friendlies.

    As for his time at Fulham, he was just pissing about again on a jolly every night with Marsh. He was not producing the type of performance befitting of the 'world's best'. Maradona on the other hand (arf) won a world cup and 2 Serie A titles on his own. Napoli were nothing until he went there.
     
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  12. C'mon ref

    C'mon ref Well-Known Member

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    Unfortunately, in a footballing sense, Best was Irish who, as far as I am aware, are not renown for being footballing World Champions.

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    Courtesy of Wikipedia
     
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  13. Calamty Jane

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    In the local bar in the remote mountain villages where I lived in Italy there are 2 references to foreign football.One is a Hull City mug the other is a picture of George Best.Infact it is the only picture of any footballer on permanent display.Think it has as much to do with his shagger reputation as his football legacy
     
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  14. bum_chinned_crab

    bum_chinned_crab Well-Known Member

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    Well if the bar's only team reference is to Hull City then the proprietor clearly knows about the pinnacle of achievement in the world game. I take it all back about Best.....
     
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  15. C'mon ref

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    I suppose in a modern day equivalent it would be Gazza who would play the role of a wasted footballing genius. I hope better times are ahead for the guy.
     
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    Come '68 Man United was an ageing team past it's best. It was all or nothing for Busby's dream of winning the European cup and most of that rested on the shoulders of a 22 year old George Best.

    Given the history Busby and united had with the cup-entering against the will of the dinosaurs at the FA, the Munich air crash...you don't get much more pressure than that and he delivered.
     
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    And England's all time record goalscorer, who was only 30.
     
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  18. C'mon ref

    C'mon ref Well-Known Member

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    Messi is a part of a team of excellent players, every one of them but I hated it when they passed the ball between themselves in the midfield area for about 20 passes or more and not getting anywhere. Last night I watched Bayern beat CSKA Moscow and they too passed the ball around each other just like Bara and we all know who Bayern's manager is now. As for all time best players, I don't know, I have seen so many great players I have admired both British and foreign both live and on TV, and although certain individuals have impressed me it would be hard to pick out an individual who I could give that accolade to. The North Korean's in the '66 World Cup thrilled me, as did Brazil on many occasions, Guadalajar 1970 anyone? Bobby More? Gordon Banks unbelievable save from Pele? I wave the white at this point there has been so many good experiences during my footballing love affair, I've enjoyed them all.
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  19. HHH

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    Come off it Bum Chin. We all know from reading these board's that once you hit 30 you're past it ;)

    But seriously, the team as a whole was past it. Aged players and younger one not as good as those they replaced. They were on the long slide to division two. Which coincidentally happened when Best once and for all left.

    For me, there's nowt between Best and Maradona. But did Maradona really carry his teams any more than Best did?
     
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  20. kccircle

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    Yes he did. It was also pretty easy to get his sticker for the Panini 86 album. Had a swap or two of him too
     
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