"****sake I get called sheep shager on these forums but it doesn't mean I really do shag sheep. Is that morally incorrect?" Really I thought you did?
Good old English justice, eh Shiny. Guilty until proven innocent! Bear in mind the social media policing!!!!
Can't agree with you on this Lan. CoR's got every right to raise his opinion. It's part of a valuable wider debate on what people say on social media. If these boards were solely devoted to football then this discussion would be irrelevant, but they're not - all kinds of stuff is posted. That's fine, but if some people are offended then why shouldn't they say so or at least instigate a debate about content? I find virtually all of it hilarious, apart from racism and threats of violence, but CoR doesn't need to 'get a grip' as he's not me, doesn't have my (somewhat warped ) moral code and is a decent poster on a publicly accessible forum.
We all say or post things on the board without thinking. We say and post things that are hurtful, offensive, or just plain stupid. To me, what’s important is what happens next. Do we try to listen and understand and decide whether or not to be more mindful in the future? Do we get defensive? Do we go on the attack? The thing is,everyone got that this was meant as a joke. I don’t think anyone believed Massive was seriously planning to become a rapist. The fact that it’s a joke isn’t the point. Everyone, sooner or later, says or writes something that offends another person.When that happens, you have choices. You can assume that person is an idiot who just likes being offended, and mock them for it.Or you can try to listen and understand why this person took offense. Maybe you’ll agree with them, maybe you won’t. I don’t believe Massive or Wiz intended to offend or hurt anyone with the joke or there comments afterwords.But once people began saying, “Hey, this isn’t cool,” there was the obligatory backlash.Once again, the immediate response from WIZ and Massive was, “It’s just a joke,” with an added helping of “You’re stupid to be offended you dont need to come on our board” as seen in their follow-up comments and also by some other posters (not all I must add) I suppose following BB's thoughtfull comments I should not have expected anymore than WIZ's insensitive response to my post which was a big old “**** you.” Having been told that Joke was offensive,Wiz and Massive deliberately set out to condone anyones right to continue on offending on a board that represents Bristol City FC. If you’re talking about rape, even as a joke, and someone confronts you about it, you might consider: 1) Rape is one of the most common and most underreported crimes. 2) Most people don’t choose to take offense just for the fun of it. 3) Our society struggles to accept the word of rape survivors. CJ has stated It’s not illegal to make jokes like this, either on the board or in an open forum (not saying it should be either), but it’s worth thinking about “context” before we go out of our way to defend Massive's joke.Because what you are actually defending isn’t just a person and his right to make rape jokes – you’re indirectly defending a larger culture of inequality, violence and oppression. On a final note Its good to see that most of the members on our board (and a few from the City Board) are open to listening to all views. COR Sources TFF/FFG
"Wiz and Shiny deliberately set out to condone anyones right to continue on offending on a board that represents Bristol City FC." You seem to be having trouble with the fact it is on the Bristol City board and no one from that board is offended. I accept it may have offended you and I accept your right to say so, but an easy solution is don't read the board that offends you.. that way no one is offended..!
You seem to mention me a lot here COR? Are you that stupid that you cant remember it was massive's joke and not mine? Dear ****ing god...... The majority of your fans didn't have a problem with the joke and they found it funny but to remain loyal to a fellow supporter they had to see your side and agree with you somewhat when the truth is, They couldn't give a ****. Next time when you make a essay about it remember to get your facts right. It was Massive's joke not mine
Apologies Shiny completely my mistake no offense intended. I have changed all the text ..............................obvious brain fade, View attachment 26220 I read your post then Saphs,then started my post Thanks for letting me know and bothering to read it. COR
you mentioned my name too COR but it wasnt me who said what you put as for the harrison situation, i dont know what to think! if he is innocent, as now the story is out, it maybe hard to play him as his head would be all over the place and he will get taunts from fans he is young and may be unable to deal with this. if he is guilty then he deserves everything he gets. innocent till proven guilty but in the meantime, do we play him and risk the backlash?
the post have worded it well. they say: "arrested on suspicion of....." and "he has not been charged with any offence". so they aint saying he has raped anyone. but it dont look pretty reading it and a lot of people will come up with their own conclusions and judge him. IF he is innocent then as he is young, this could ruin his career. he will need support. he is really in a bad place now as people will judge, opposition would take advantage of this if he still plays. maybe this explains his poor form since the start of the season if this is in the back of his mind. heads not with it!
That's what I mean, he's been labelled a possibility in a heinous crime that could if innocent potentially ruin him. This is why they should never be named unless its beyond doubt then charged. The post no matter how cleverly they feel they worded this could have serious repercussions on his life. If he is guilty then they should chop his cock off so he cannot repeat the crime. I will reserve judgement IF he is convicted on this one.
The majority of rapes occur between couples who already are in some form of relationship and a situation gets out of control.
there has been cases where players have been accused (rightly or wrongly) and its usually booze/drugs that has made the girl/s intoxicated and either gave consent without remembering or were too out of it and the player/s took advantage.
girls remain nameless and protected but harrision gets named and shamed while at the same time confirmation that he has not been charged with anything.
Better wording would be if he's convicted. It is tricky - if you're not going to name defendants in rape cases, then how about murder suspects, kiddy fiddlers, etc etc? Should all those accused of a crime be granted anonymity? I think the issue with rape is that a bloke can sleep with a woman, she can then for whatever reason go to the cops and state that she was raped. A medical examination can prove that sexual contact took place and DNA can prove that the contact was with that specific bloke. Therefore, there is proof of sexual relations, but what has to be proved in court is whether those relations were consensual or not. It's a bloody minefield. Blokes go down for rape, women also get jailed for false accusations. However, a bloke has gone through months or years of hell, quite wrongly, and sometimes **** sticks, again quite wrongly. Best thing is for justice to take its course and for everyone to presume that Ellis is innocent unless he is found guilty. We also need to remember that he hasn't even been charged and that he was initially arrested six months ago. What I am suspicious about is why this has been reported now, six months after the arrest. Until today, he quite rightly had his anonymity yet the Bristol ****ing Pisspoor Posthas seen fit to report this for whatever reason. If I was a particularly paranoid individual, I might even suspect that some **** out there is trying to denigrate Bristol Rovers at the time when emotions are running high about the Judicial Review into a Sainsburys on the Mem........
If it was six months ago, why is it taking so long for the legals to take formal action? If there is a case for prosecution surely something should have happened by now. It would seem to me that if it's still in the 'Yes you did. No I didn't' stage, how the dickens can anyone make a judgement?
