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Is history cast in stone?

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  1. FILEYseadog

    FILEYseadog Well-Known Member

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    My view is I will still go what ever happens

    Though. I would prefer Assem Allam to stay.

    If he walks because the fa say no then he is a cnut..
     
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  2. PattyNchips2

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    I am a fan of both, I think the way that the council have treat AA, by not wanting to sell him the stadium, is a bit ****.
     
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  3. PattyNchips2

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    City/Tigers... it makes no difference to me.
    it's a name, nothing more, nothing less.
     
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  4. FILEYseadog

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    Exactly my view
     
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  5. DMD

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    At least we're agreed that history isn't cast in stone. <ok>
     
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  6. Aire

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    I just want to put one thing forward before we go any further, I am anti Name Change.

    I'll answer your questions in the order they were given, obviously these are all just my opinion. People will agree and disagree, that's part and parcel of voicing your opinion.

    1) I personally believe we are a sellable product, however AA's actions would seem to suggest that he doesn't think we are. Why would he threaten to just walk away from a club if he thought that someone else would just step in and buy the club? He's threatening it for a reason, because he genuinely thinks that with AA the club are nothing. We will never know if this is the case until he does follow through on that threat.

    2) Gratitude. They don't want to appear ungrateful to him for saving our club from the mis-run adventure by Messrs Bartlett and Duffen. Perhaps they have also believed AA that the club are indeed unsellable and that the club would indeed fail without his input. Again, we don't know if this is the case unless he does walk away and many do not want to take that risk. You'd rather have a tyrant in charge and a solvent club, than risk it and oust him and potentially no one buy us, which then leads to administration and liquidation.

    3) I don't think he could afford to walk away from the £100m loan, but could he not just refuse to aid us financially? But continue to collect the repayments from the club. If he was to just write it off, then I don't know what the Allam Marine trading results are like, but that would likely cripple his other business.
     
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  7. PattyNchips2

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    who said that?
    history cant change, only the perception of it can.
    they arent the same thing.
    Events will never change... the understanding of them and their significance of their bearing can change though.
     
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  8. DMD

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    You can repeat it as often as you like, you're still as wrong as the first time you said it.
     
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  9. FILEYseadog

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    Hull City name change to Hulll Tigers.

    Same club. Just changed City to Tigers.

    That's how history would be recorded in my opinion.

    It won't be a case of Hull City closed down and a brand new club was formed.

    Off to pub...
     
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  10. PattyNchips2

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    and you can repeat your little ditty about history being able to change............
    it doesn't make it right.
     
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  11. Sir Cheshire Ben

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    That was filey, not you.

    Regarding the Stadium, they are not my council & I don't contribute to them & as such are not really entitled to an opinion in regards as to what they do with their assets.

    I have though watched one of their meetings online & it's frightening that these idiots are responsible for massive budgets & spending. I've also watched & read AA's interviews & press releases & he also doesn't cover himself in much glory. Taking this into consideration I don't think there was ever going to be progressive, productive & positive negotiations between both parties in relation to the stadium ownership.

    In hindsight & bearing in mind AA's interview last week, especially his threats to walk away, I think the stadium remaining in the hands of the council,for the time being, will be in the best interest of the club.

    I believe this to be more an accidental outcome rather than pre-planned. A direct result of two sets of head strong, self important egoists who were more interested in achieving self benefit rather negotiating an outcome that was beneficial to the club, the city & themselves.

    The right decision was there, it just needed the right people in place during the consultation & negotiation to achieve it.
     
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  12. DMD

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    No it doesn't, but the links and examples do.
     
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  13. PattyNchips2

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    top post fella......... have a pint for me
     
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  14. PattyNchips2

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    I can get you posts and links that support me but as it doesn't really bother me about how wrong you are, I don't care.
     
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  15. DMD

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    Perhaps, but the people that ridiculed the idea of an ice arena and swimming pool near the City centre, are the same ones engineering a semi-private ice arena and swimming pool near the City centre.
     
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  16. DMD

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    Nope, you have't so far, and like the others, all you could produce is an example of occasions where history didn't change. That would only matter if the claim was history always changes, rather than history can change, which the experts agree with and examples have been shown.
     
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  17. Sir Cheshire Ben

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    It'd be interesting seeing the budgets as a large part of the "blah de blah" in the online meeting I watched was around the closure of sporting facilities around the city.

    Ice arena is a great gig venue, been to a couple & they were both top nights. Would the City Centre one close?
     
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  18. DMD

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    I think plan is/was to close the Ice Arena and initially Ennerdale.
     
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  19. Sir Cheshire Ben

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    Do you think a joint private / public venture for the replacements could have ever been on the cards with AA?
     
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  20. DMD

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    I don't know, but I don't get that impression, at least as far as the leisure facilities go, but I could be wrong as I think it's PLT that says some sort of joint venture was offered, but I don't think they've said what it included.
     
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