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Iran v Israel - Who is the real villain?

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by Vilsmeier-Haack Reaction, Sep 5, 2011.

  1. Vilsmeier-Haack Reaction

    Vilsmeier-Haack Reaction Well-Known Member

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    Just a few things you may want to consider before reaching any conclusions


    The corporate media have been given their orders to throw the focus back on to Iran.

    Here is a recap of what they are trying to make you forget.

    1 - Last Spring Rose Gottemoeller, an assistant secretary of state and Washington's chief nuclear arms negotiator, asked Israel to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. Israel refused.

    2 - The United Nations passed a resolution calling on Israel to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and to submit to inspections. Israel refused.

    3 - The IAEA asked Israel to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and to submit to inspections. Israel refused.

    4 - Iran's formal notification to the IAEA of the planned construction of the backup fuel-rod facility underscores that Iran is playing by the rules of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty which Iran has signed.

    5 - Iran allows IAEA inspections of all its facilities.

    6 - Contrary to face-saving claims, it appears that the US and Israel were both caught off guard by Iran's announcement of a planned underground (to avoid being bombed) enrichment facility. The reasoning is simple. Had the US or Israel announced the existence of he new facility before Iran's notified the IAEA, it would have put Iran on the defensive. As it is now, the US and Israel seem to be playing catch up, casting doubt on the veracity of Israel's claims to "know" that Iran is a nuclear threat.

    7 - The IAEA and all 16 U.S. intelligence agencies are in unanimous agreement that Iran is not producing and does not possess nuclear weapons.

    8 - In 1986, Mordachai Vanunu blew the whistle and provided photographs showing Israel's clandestine nuclear weapons factory underneath the reactor at Dimona.

    9 - Israel made the same accusations against Iraq that it is making against Iran, leading up to Israel's bombing of the power station at Osirik. Following the invasion of 2003, international experts examined the ruins of the power station at Osirik and found no evidence of a clandestine weapons factory in the rubble.

    10 - The United Nations has just released the Goldstone Report, a scathing report which accuses Israel of 37 specific war crimes and crimes against humanity in Gaza earlier this year. Israel has denounced the report as "Anti-Semitic (even though Judge Goldstone is himself Jewish), and the United States will block the report from being referred to the War Crimes Tribunal at the Hague, thereby making the US Government an accessory after-the-fact.

    11 - Recently revealed documents prove not only that Israel has nuclear weapos, but actually tried to sell some to Apartheid South Africa.Who else Israel approached to sell nuclear weapons remains an unasked question.

    12 - in 1965, Israel stole over 200-600 pounds of weapons-grade uranium from the United States.

    13 - Declassified documents from the former South African regime prove not only that Israel has had nuclear weapons for decades, but has tried to sell them to other countries!




    Just a bit of food for thought for those mindlessly feeding off the mainstream media's every word on the issue
     
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  3. Vilsmeier-Haack Reaction

    Vilsmeier-Haack Reaction Well-Known Member

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    sort of trying to leave it as a rhetorical question as i dont expect a full and frank answer on this forum as most people wont be able to swallow their pride andd admit where they have been misinformed. But they aren't able to lie to themselves.... i hope not
     
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    Vilsmeier-Haack Reaction Well-Known Member

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    here is a very important point highlighting the defamation tactic used by Israel and their supporters to discredit any public opposition to their agenda
     
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  5. Nazara

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    both as bad as each other
     
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    Vilsmeier-Haack Reaction Well-Known Member

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    not really judging by this
     
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  7. Sam Axe

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    I wouldn't trust Iran or Israel. We can't be sure what either are up to within their borders
     
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    Vilsmeier-Haack Reaction Well-Known Member

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    I notice medro is distinctly silent
     
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  9. Leon Bessi

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    wasnt there also something about Israeli ships intercepting aid ships for gazza in international waters also?.
     
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  10. Hash.

    Hash. pure daycent

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    Israel with its lovely straight line borders is the anti christ
     
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    Vilsmeier-Haack Reaction Well-Known Member

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    oh yes, the Gaza flotilla raid last year where 9 Turkish activists were killed in "self-defence"
     
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    Vilsmeier-Haack Reaction Well-Known Member

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    God promised them those straight line borders <ok>
     
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  13. Hash.

    Hash. pure daycent

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    Which God though ?
     
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  14. irishgreen

    irishgreen Well-Known Member

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    Not quite right.Israeli special forces intercepted aid ships and gunned down anyone who stood up to them.That particular act had a profound effect on me,because from that day forth any **** that came to me moaning about the 'holocaust' was told to **** off.FACT.
     
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  15. Vilsmeier-Haack Reaction

    Vilsmeier-Haack Reaction Well-Known Member

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    The same one that tried to get Abraham to kill his son
     
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  16. Hash.

    Hash. pure daycent

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    ah the wrong'un <ok>
     
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  17. Sam Axe

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    The difference is that the victims of the holocaust were not special forces soldiers, they were innocent people. You cannot dirty the memory of those people because of the acts of the special forces who were probably under orders from their government. The victims of the holocaust and their families have nothing to do with that.
     
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  18. irishgreen

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    So,the German soldiers who carried out these acts were nice guys just following orders like the Israeli special forces?Both only under orders from their goverments.
     
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  19. Sam Axe

    Sam Axe Active Member

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    I never said they were nice guys or that they were right, just that you cannot lump them in with the victims of the holocaust or the survivors and their families.
     
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  20. irishgreen

    irishgreen Well-Known Member

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    OK,CF.

    What were those poor ****s on the aid boat guilty of?
     
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