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A story that I believe to be true...

Some ex-colleagues of mine now work at a startup company (based in London, 4 years old) which specialises in data encryption. They sell their technology to big software companies who then embed it into their own products. Apparently, a couple of years ago, they were leaned on by the US government to put a "back door" into one of their small products (email encryption for private individuals). They hadn't been able to crack the encryption used, hence the request. Despite the company being in London, the CEO is a US citizen and frequently goes there for business and to visit family.

Their response was to drop the product and publicly explain why to their customers, walking away from that sort of game. Now they focus just on technology for large corporates who have big teams of lawyers (if needed) to fight that corner (if required to do so).

A personal experience...

I went to a data security conference a few years ago where a Microsoft employee admitted that Microsoft would give up any data that they held on behalf of their customers residing on hardware sitting in the US if the FBI asked them to do so. This was relevant, as the issue being discussed was cloud-based data storage of personal data relating to law firms in the UK. Microsoft would not guarantee that UK company data would be kept on servers within the EU - where legislation forbids this.
 
the 9.3 is causing widespread issues for those that do not know you can remove it by connecting to itunes and removing the update. Personally I wouldn't have an iphone, 10 quid yesterday for a charging lead that my daughter broke by accident after getting so annoyed with the 9.3 update that ruined her 5s
 
Canadianhoop said:
Came across this link today, not sure if it's relevant (or how accurate it is as I don't use the Booking.com App myself):

https://www.tnooz.com/article/booking-com-app-blamed-for-widespread-apple-device-crash/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed: Tnooz (Tnooz)
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That may well be a contributing cause, and I've deleted the app (which is a very good service), hasn't helped and it's still Apple's fault, they allowed Booking.com to put that infrastructure in.

Apple are being stunningly arrogant about this. Everybody who has an Apple device that runs on iOS has an Apple ID, which means they have an email address for every user. It's simple for them to send a message to everyone explaining what's going on, what they are doing about it, and expected timetable. They haven't bothered and they can't even be arsed to post a notice about it on their own website or inform the media. I am now considering Loveit's solution of reinstalling 9.2.1, which is time consuming and the moment I do it they will release as patch.

Apple will lose both reputation and business through this. I don't like Android, it's clunky and derivative, but Samsung et al are offering much better value for money at the moment.
 
sb_73 said:
That may well be a contributing cause, and I've deleted the app (which is a very good service), hasn't helped and it's still Apple's fault, they allowed Booking.com to put that infrastructure in.

Apple are being stunningly arrogant about this. Everybody who has an Apple device that runs on iOS has an Apple ID, which means they have an email address for every user. It's simple for them to send a message to everyone explaining what's going on, what they are doing about it, and expected timetable. They haven't bothered and they can't even be arsed to post a notice about it on their own website or inform the media. I am now considering Loveit's solution of reinstalling 9.2.1, which is time consuming and the moment I do it they will release as patch.

Apple will lose both reputation and business through this. I don't like Android, it's clunky and derivative, but Samsung et al are offering much better value for money at the moment.
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You're right. of course. I fully expect my iPad 2 (4-5 years old?) to stop working after an iOS update one day, even though the hardware is fine and I'm not trying to use the fancy features that Apple - and their competitors - keep introducing to win new customers from each other. It shouldn't be about them, it should be about us.

The problem for the customer is, to keep Apples software development and maintenance costs down, they adopt a "scorched earth" policy to older versions of iOS and try to get us all to migrate to newer versions so they don't have to support older ones. That's fine if the newer versions are still fast and reliable on older, less powerful hardware. As more and more bloated versions of iOS emerge, my iPad 2 gets slower and slower and I don't like it.

If they released a cut down version of iOS that gave me what I had with iOS 5 (enough features and fast on my old hardware) I'd install it like a shot.
 
TheBigDipper said:
You're right. of course. I fully expect my iPad 2 (4-5 years old?) to stop working after an iOS update one day, even though the hardware is fine and I'm not trying to use the fancy features that Apple - and their competitors - keep introducing to win new customers from each other. It shouldn't be about them, it should be about us.

The problem for the customer is, to keep Apples software development and maintenance costs down, they adopt a "scorched earth" policy to older versions of iOS and try to get us all to migrate to newer versions so they don't have to support older ones. That's fine if the newer versions are still fast and reliable on older, less powerful hardware. As more and more bloated versions of iOS emerge, my iPad 2 gets slower and slower and I don't like it.

If they released a cut down version of iOS that gave me what I had with iOS 5 (enough features and fast on my old hardware) I'd install it like a shot.
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My wife and daughter have iPad 2's, I've advised them never to install new iOS releases unless they are unhappy with what they have now. Thankfully neither have touched 9.3 which would have locked the devices. I have a company issue iPhone 5s (much prefer it to the 6) - for every new iOS release the company tells us not to upgrade until they say so. Refusing to sign off the old versions another Apple own goal.

But as I said above, the kit, whether phone or tablet, is the prettiest and cleverest out there. And I am very shallow, bastards have me hooked.
 
sb_73 said:
But as I said above, the kit, whether phone or tablet, is the prettiest and cleverest out there. And I am very shallow, bastards have me hooked.
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Me too. iPad 2, iPhone 5, MacBook Pro. Love the integration between them. My wife has two Windoze laptops but keeps looking at my Mac. I'm sure her eyes are blue, but sometimes they look green to me...
 
These Apple ****ers are seriously pissing me off now. Receiving multiple message trying to sell me their new phone, no attempt to communicate about the continued balls up with their operating system. Arrogant bastards are going to suffer in the balance sheet region.
 
Loveitupthebush said:
the 9.3 is causing widespread issues for those that do not know you can remove it by connecting to itunes and removing the update. Personally I wouldn't have an iphone, 10 quid yesterday for a charging lead that my daughter broke by accident after getting so annoyed with the 9.3 update that ruined her 5s
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You can only back date up to a certain time Apple allow signing for the previous update, which I believe has ended for iOS 9.2.1. So essentially if you have updated to 9.3 your stuck there whilst Apple decide to fix the new update with a release.

Nothing is straight forward when it comes to IOS updates so my advice is wait at least a month or so before updating your devices In future.
 
Hertfordshire Qpr said:
You can only back date up to a certain time Apple allow signing for the previous update, which I believe has ended for iOS 9.2.1. So essentially if you have updated to 9.3 your stuck there whilst Apple decide to fix the new update with a release.

Nothing is straight forward when it comes to IOS updates so my advice is wait at least a month or so before updating your devices In future.
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iOS 9.2.1 still available this morning, but I was too busy to go through the back up/ download process. I'll follow your advice in future though.
 
9.3.1 released at ****ing last, updating iPad now...... Let's see if I can recapture my Apple mojo....



Hooray, it works.
 
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TheBigDipper said:
Did your family upgrade their iPad 2s? If so, is it OK?
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Not yet, though Apple claim to have issued a new version of iOS 9.3 for 'older' devices and I haven't seen any complaints about it. Should be sitting there in settings for you. I'd check what benefits you get on an iPad 2 though. Nothing startling for an iPad Air 2, and it eats battery life. If you like what you have now, may not be worth it.
 
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Sorry to rehash it again but what do we do in as far as holding off the upgrade? Can it be done?
If so, can we stop it from pestering us every time we use the phone?
Its really starting to peev me orf.
Cheers.
 
AussieQPR said:
Sorry to rehash it again but what do we do in as far as holding off the upgrade? Can it be done?
If so, can we stop it from pestering us every time we use the phone?
Its really starting to peev me orf.
Cheers.
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I think all is ok now Aussie. I have upgraded iPad, no problems. Check that you are upgrading to 9.3.1, the latest release which tackles the bugs in 9.3.
 
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Having updated IOS on both my iPhone and iPad I'm now finding that I cannot clear the Inbox in Calendar. If I go into Calendar and touch Inbox in the bottom right-hand corner of the screen, I just get dumped out of the App altogether and back onto the main screen.
 
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