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Citizen Kane. said:
BBC is running a live debate in their comments section (3 hours and going) re if Kane is the right man for England.

The ease with which people disrespect him and his achievements is astonishing, and goes some distance to explain why this country never wins anything. We have the most bizarre fetish with tearing down greatness wherever and whenever it appears.
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I’ve mentioned it over the years but it’s a common theme amongst England supporters and journalists to do their best at tearing down their best players.

Kane’s the current target.

Rooney was before him.

Beckham before him.

And I no doubt assume others were from before I can truly remember.

When you look at how Argentina idolise Messi and Maradonna, Portugal Ronaldo, Brazil with Neymar, Vini and all their past ones… it makes me wonder why any top player would want to represent our country at times.
 
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Citizen Kane. said:
BBC is running a live debate in their comments section (3 hours and going) re if Kane is the right man for England.

The ease with which people disrespect him and his achievements is astonishing, and goes some distance to explain why this country never wins anything. We have the most bizarre fetish with tearing down greatness wherever and whenever it appears.
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And elevating mediocrity

Oasis were always ****
 
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Dier Hard said:
I’ve mentioned it over the years but it’s a common theme amongst England supporters and journalists to do their best at tearing down their best players.

Kane’s the current target.

Rooney was before him.

Beckham before him.

And I no doubt assume others were from before I can truly remember.

When you look at how Argentina idolise Messi and Maradonna, Portugal Ronaldo, Brazil with Neymar, Vini and all their past ones… it makes me wonder why any top player would want to represent our country at times.
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It's more insidious than that, because they have a habit of ****ting on the players who coincidentally don't play for the usual suspects

This was made abundantly clear during Euro 2004 when Ledders started a match and the commentators were bemoaning why someone let a Tottenham player on the pitch - and only stopped their pissing and moaning when he was awarded MotM
 
Brennan with a goal and an assist against Iceland.

I hope that ignites the spark again as he's really gone off the boil in recent weeks.
 
I think the argument with Kane is that he doesn't run in behind defenders and that makes it difficult for England to create space in the final third. With an abundance of players who can play off the striker somebody needs to stretch the play to allow these players (whether it's Palmer or Foden or Bellingham) to find space to create or take goal scoring chances. Based on the small sample of size of the Greece away game, many have decided that Watkins is the better option .It's never been Kane's game.
Kane is a class act; he brings experience and quality and an unerring ability to score goals. But as he ages - and becomes slower and more inclined to drop deeper - there may be opportunities to play Watkins (or others) in certain games or off the bench for a significant period going forward.
So I can see the argument from both sides.
 
littleDinosaurLuke said:
I think the argument with Kane is that he doesn't run in behind defenders and that makes it difficult for England to create space in the final third. With an abundance of players who can play off the striker somebody needs to stretch the play to allow these players (whether it's Palmer or Foden or Bellingham) to find space to create or take goal scoring chances. Based on the small sample of size of the Greece away game, many have decided that Watkins is the better option .It's never been Kane's game.
Kane is a class act; he brings experience and quality and an unerring ability to score goals. But as he ages - and becomes slower and more inclined to drop deeper - there may be opportunities to play Watkins (or others) in certain games or off the bench for a significant period going forward.
So I can see the argument from both sides.
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Kane has never run behind, he is the best English finisher by a distance, he is also one of the best passers as evidenced by his pass to Bellingham on Sunday something no other English striker and only Trent amongst the other England players is possibly capable of. The key is getting quicker faster players ahead of him.

The Greece game that Watkins started he contributed no more than Kane does , yes he scored (and justified his selection ha ha) but it was a goal Harry scores with his eyes closed and it is unlikely that he wouldn't have found that space it didn't require speed of foot just presence of mind. Other than that Watkins (who I do like) looked rather out of form and short of confidence, as evidenced by his recent Villa form too.

But I do also agree that other options do need to be tried and that Kanes previous achievements should not cloud future judgements about him always 'having' to start.
 
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littleDinosaurLuke said:
I think the argument with Kane is that he doesn't run in behind defenders and that makes it difficult for England to create space in the final third. With an abundance of players who can play off the striker somebody needs to stretch the play to allow these players (whether it's Palmer or Foden or Bellingham) to find space to create or take goal scoring chances. Based on the small sample of size of the Greece away game, many have decided that Watkins is the better option .It's never been Kane's game.
Kane is a class act; he brings experience and quality and an unerring ability to score goals. But as he ages - and becomes slower and more inclined to drop deeper - there may be opportunities to play Watkins (or others) in certain games or off the bench for a significant period going forward.
So I can see the argument from both sides.
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Kane, Watkins and Solanke all offer different strengths and the new manager should be able to appreciate that.
Horses for courses and all that.

The main issue, in my opinion, is a lack of a top quality playmaker in the squad.
There's a ton of depth and options to address a wide variety of roles in the side.
Creativity is lacking throughout though, apart from one right-back who isn't the best defender.
Where's the new Carrick?
 
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The Changing Man said:
Kane has never run behind, he is the best English finisher by a distance, he is also one of the best passers as evidenced by his pass to Bellingham on Sunday something no other English striker and only Trent amongst the other England players is possibly capable of. The key is getting quicker faster players ahead of him.

The Greece game that Watkins started he contributed no more than Kane does , yes he scored (and justified his selection ha ha) but it was a goal Harry scores with his eyes closed and it is unlikely that he wouldn't have found that space it didn't require speed of foot just presence of mind. Other than that Watkins (who I do like) looked rather out of form and short of confidence, as evidenced by his recent Villa form too.

But I do also agree that other options do need to be tried and that Kanes previous achievements should not cloud future judgements about him always 'having' to start.
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Watkins wf
The Changing Man said:
Kane has never run behind, he is the best English finisher by a distance, he is also one of the best passers as evidenced by his pass to Bellingham on Sunday something no other English striker and only Trent amongst the other England players is possibly capable of. The key is getting quicker faster players ahead of him.

The Greece game that Watkins started he contributed no more than Kane does , yes he scored (and justified his selection ha ha) but it was a goal Harry scores with his eyes closed and it is unlikely that he wouldn't have found that space it didn't require speed of foot just presence of mind. Other than that Watkins (who I do like) looked rather out of form and short of confidence, as evidenced by his recent Villa form too.

But I do also agree that other options do need to be tried and that Kanes previous achievements should not cloud future judgements about him always 'having' to start.
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The space in the box is usually created when Kane drops back and defenders follow him.Bellingham in accordinglyparticular understands that and times his runs
 
Ben Davies and Brennan Johnson have been called up by Wales for their World Cup qualifiers.
They face Kazakhstan and North Macedonia. Very nice.
 
KingHotspur said:
Which circumstances?
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They're co-hosting with Canada and Mexico, both of which Trump is talking about invading.
He's already waging a trade war with them and now he made some very inflammatory comments today.
Very reminiscent of Putin's comments about Ukraine before he attacked them.
 
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