PNP’s OP said this: “When people are clearly getting upset and it's not a nice place to be, we have to take action. The latest round of clashes has lead to Spurf, SpursDisciple and I asking for a suspension for King.” —————————- So it might not come as a surprise that King has been the topic of debate on this thread as it has essentially been made because King was banned, so saying this thread isn’t about King is - with respect - inaccurate. This has also been, as far as I can remember in my 12 or so years on here, the first time a ban has been truly challenged by multiple posters (excluding Saff who’s just having a laugh). Maybe I’m reading something wrong or maybe I’ve missed something truly bad that King has said, but surely if people are trying to defend King then people aren’t viewing him as being toxic or adding to any toxicity? The toxicity is just stemming from how **** our football team has been.
Like I said, if there were personal insults then you will get no complaints from me. There is a post from Vim who took umbrage to King’s “it’s a conspiracy” comment and his reaction was a bit over the top. However, I appreciate there is some background that maybe some of us are missing. This is the second post recently about banning posters (the other was munse where the mods put out a poll on what actions you should take). Perhaps the mods should not post such threads as these could increase the toxicity. Simply ban people as you see fit and adopt a “no comments” stance without any public naming and shaming? Just a recommendation from me based on other forums that I use.
It was our intention to post this thread without mentioning King. King asked that we tell you all that we had banned him so we respected his wish and did so. The thread was made because the atmosphere on the Spurs board was becoming toxic and we wanted a discussion on that and input from the board. Read the post SpursDisciple has just posted it's not just about the exchange with Vim. The line of personal insult had been crossed more than once. It is because King is a long time poster who makes a significant contribution to the board that we tried to resolve it through PM some time ago. He was not interested in doing this, it was his choice.
It definitely wasn't what was said by King but the way and perhaps more importantly the frequency with which it was put across. There is a very fine line between expressing an opinion and preaching a truth, and if/when an individual becomes almost a parody of themselves, posting the same responses over and over again in the hope that the 'opposition' will eventually cave in and say "you're right", it does start to get as tiresome as having to wade through pages of Munse's Vince McMahon fetish. A month is probably excessive but on the whole I support the mods in this: the price for what is one of the most solid boards on the entire forum is the upkeep of certain standards. Otherwise, members will just leave in their droves which is what happened to the Arsenal board when it became an endless cycle of people attacking eachother about Wenger, making exactly the same points over and over again using slightly different vocab each time. The cycle was fuelled rather than prevented by their Mods at the time - especially Pinkie - who were more concerned with being right than being wise. As long as there is toxicity in the stands, it will inevitably spill over here. I personally find this a good place to vent frustration and share a laugh (at, not with Spurs). But there are times, growing in frequency, where I will hold back from posting something as I can feel the blood pumping in my head and the anger or frustration boiling over. But at the same time, I also know that if I do cross a line it will be addressed relatively quickly and fairly and I say again: this is because collectively we have built a board where being wise is valued more than being right, and that is a rarity indeed on social media nowadays.
I like the fact that it’s all put out in the open when it comes to a ban I think it gets the mods respect imo and that is important I’m also glad that we are very welcoming to fans of other clubs…even if they have popped by to disagree with something. A few have posted their opinion on this matter but they haven’t created carnage and disruption…they have just asked questions and given opinions and they have also left themselves open for correction if the mods disagree for me…it’s all good because it’s created another few pages of reading an interesting discussion. Then you get the type of wummery Munse has been choosing to indulge in by saying the same one line followed by the same gif again and again and again…shoot him in the head…that’s fine with me..he deserves the month ban if anyone.
But this is the thing, you’re telling us King isn’t banned solely from the post with Vim and that the personal insult line has been crossed more than once (where so far, some of us feel it hasn’t even been crossed) and SD has also said that King has been a heavy contributor in board toxicity but I don’t think many are seeing where this toxicity is. The only toxicity I’m seeing is from our team and club, as they’re draining fans both emotionally and financially and that’s filtering through onto every social media platform, let alone this forum. What goes on in PMs is strictly private and I completely appreciate that but the PM has been instigated from something that has happened in public and if that has come from the King-Vim exchange then I can probably understand why King may have acted defensively and defiantly as whilst perhaps it can be seen as irking from Vim’s POV, it isn’t a personal insult. It’s just a bit of a weird one for me, probably as I clearly don’t have all the facts but I can only go on what I’ve seen and just from my opinion, a ban for King, especially for a month, feels a bit excessive.
ultimately King is bound to get a mention sooner rather than later on a thread inspired by him for whatever reason Its how threads go if this was the Prem board we would probably be discussing sandwiches by now its what happens in threads and no way was this one going without a mention of King im glad the thread went up
Gotta be the steak and cheese, for me. Foot long. Hearty Italian. Peppers, onions and lettuce. Don't ruin it with sauce. Chicken Teriyaki comes a close 2nd, tbf.
yeh I don’t do sauces in sarnies, especially cold ones I’m into the tuna crunch baguette from Greggs nowadays throw some grated cheddar onto it mmm yum yum
As you accept what went on in PM is by it's very nature private. I can only repeat that it was not just because of the Vim exchange. Actions were taken by King which we three mods felt undermined the Spurs board ethos. We tried to resolve this with him to no avail. I can assure you DH we did not take this decision lightly it was over a period of months and because of actions not in the public domain. You will just have accept that I'm afraid. Now my reply would annoy me if our roles were reversed, I can only tell you that I am actually protecting King by doing this. I am afraid you have to trust the mods on this.
I would like to add my tuppenceworth. I like this board and think it is run and moderated well. Are you doing anything wrong - not especially - everyone makes a few errors but moderation on this board seems to me to be consistent and to a high standard generally. So would I like anything to change - not really. You seem not to want people to comment on the specifics of this thread but I think they help. In this one instance I cannot see enough basis for a suspension but obviously admit I may not know some pertinent facts. Two posters seem to dislike each other and instead of using the ignore button one feels driven to take a sabbatical. As a grown up he is entitled to make that choice - I have done the same on another board where I felt I just need to take a time out - it does help sometimes. The spat between the two seems awfully minor to me as an outsider so the suspension option seems harsh. However if it is intended to send a message to us all it may be justified. I do think though that a suspension should be made public or it has no effect in reminding everyone that we need to be "nice". As a whole though disagreements on here seem largely good humoured and tame compared to so many other places. Perhaps that is an indication that you mods are doing a good job. Don't get too introspective but keep up the good work - most of us would run a mile to avoid having to mod a board.
Please talk about the board as a whole and let's get away from discussing the King thing. We are unable to tell the whole story on this because it would breach the PM's we had with King. I can only repeat that it is not just about exchanges with Vim.
My general comment was about the board as a whole. I acknowledged that we don't have enough info to know the "whole story"
Sorry 61 my comment was not aimed at you but to the board in general. I didn't make that very clear. For what it's worth I think your comment is measured and reasonable.
