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I never said AVB is going to be the next Mourinho or anything like that, my statement was that we should all get behind him if he's appointed, as he clearly as some talent - he's only 34 for crying out loud. The problems at Chelsea were well documented, it doesn't mean he can't be a success anywhere else in England, it would be naive to think it does. I also appreciate that just because there was a vendetta at Chelsea, he can do an amazing job elsewhere.

You're obviously still in 'mourning' over Redknapp. Of course league positions are important what with all the money at stake, but I'd still rather see us win a trophy at Wembley than get hammered at the Bernabeu! But that's football, we all have different opinions.. you clearly don't like those different to your 'right' ones !
 
C.CalderwoodDivingHeader said:
I never saying AVB is going to be the next Mourinho, my statement was that we should all get behind him if he's appointed, as he clearly as some talent - he's only 34 for crying out loud. The problems at Chelsea were well documented, it doesn't mean he can't be a success anywhere else in England, it would be naive to think it does. I also appreciate that just because of the vendetta at Chelsea, he can do an amazing job elsewhere.

You're obviously still in 'mourning' over Redknapp. Of course league positions are important what with all the money at stake, but I'd still rather see us win a trophy at Wembley than get hammered at the Bernabeu! But that's football, we all have different opinions.. you clearly don't like those different to your 'right' ones !
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Listen, im not in "mourning" you think I don't know the faults of good old arry? of course I do, but the issue I have is that many like yourself seem to be celebrating the sacking of our most successful premier league manager and are hoping for the arrival of a manager that has not only failed here but has shown weak man management skills.

Why make a comment like

but I'd still rather see us win a trophy at Wembley than get hammered at the Bernabeu!
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Do you realise how difficult it is for a team outside the traditional four to get into the champions league and then to the quarter finals beating ac milan and inter milan along the way, yes we got hammered, but that took a higher level of management then winning the league cup.

As for AVB, he is 34? ok that isn't a plus point for us, as like you have already mentioned he had success abroad which will tell you he already most likely has a high opinion of his ability so infact his age is a negative as he still has a lot of learning to do, mistakes to make but along the way has to get results.

I expect at porto, he was under no pressure, in his comfort zone, in a environment he was at ease with and was allowed to build his own team and clearly that suits his style, plus the Portuguese league is hardly a high level overall.
 
When Redknapp was fired, I was not happy..neither was I upset.

Football managers change all the time, the club and support is the consistent factor. Ultimately, like you, I'm a fan of Tottenham Hotspur, not Harry Redknapp. Whoever comes into the club I will get behind, naturally. I would not start slating off the new manager on a forum before he's even managed a game!

Of course I understand how difficult it is for Spurs to get into the top 4, and well done to Harry for guiding us there. I'm not saying I didn't love the CL experience and all that came with it, but when I'm an old man I'll predominantly remember that day at Wembley with my Dad when Ledley lifted the Cup, and when Neilsen scored the diving header, against the odds. For me, trophies are the pinnacle, even if it's the 'worthless cup' or whatever people call it. There's an overriding sense of joy that I get watching us beat off all competitors to a trophy, then there perhaps was seeing us beat Inter Milan at the Lane (still a fantastic Spurs night).

I'm sure AVB has a lot of self belief, which is a good thing. I agree, he probably has plenty of mistakes in him, but so did Redknapp and he's nearing on 70. I just don't think we should be so negative about an appointment that hasn't even been made. I hate that overused Fergie analogy, because he did at Aberdeen, but he found it difficult at United in his first few years; managers need time, sometimes.

It's a shame you've tried to turn it into an argument almost, bringing out little brother comparisons, but it doesn't bother me. We're all fans, we're all part of something, and we're all pulling in the same direction. If it's AVB that Levy chooses, then good luck to him; I'll be there, like you, at the start of next season hoping for more of the same that Redknapp brought us
 
C.CalderwoodDivingHeader now you have gone into more "detail" I can retract the "little brother" you can be my uncle ha, however i'm sure you can understand, if making comments such as:

Besides, he won far more in one season at Porto then Redknapp's won in his whole career.
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did lead me to believe you was another one of these naive young fans that just look at stats and can't comprehend the other factors which come into play when managers move from country to country.

The reason I feel "negative" about possibly having AVB as our manager is down to the way he conducts himself, the tactics from his time at chelsea, his general character and I have the impression of him being a young man, small man syndrome with a high opinion of himself due to his success at porto.

Will this matter if he comes to the club and is a success? of course not..why? because like you say, we're all supporting the same club and hoping for the same goal, Tottenham to be a success and get some pride back.

However because of the success arry had and the talent with the current squad AND the "great" appointments of Ramos and Santini, I have little "faith" in the current spurs board when it comes to appointing a manager based on a "new and different approach".

I am dreading AVB becoming our manager and if it happens I'll just have to be quiet and hope he can be a success but right now I don't want him anywhere near this club.
 
SpursLegend said:
Hmm ok.

I personally would love it.
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me too....the guy didnt become a numpty overnight..he was class at Porto...and had some brilliant superstars playing good football..just because he looked bad for chelsea...something chelsea contributed to...does not mean he is bad.....there is no logical way to look at it...like ive said before...we wouldnt have wanted Di Matteo after he got the boot from WBA...but in his next job he ends up winning the biggest trophy in europe...when someone can explain the logic that allows them to vilify AVB..then let me know.
 
i dont see why people are insulting each other over prefernces..the fact is whoever comes...that man has a right to be backed by everyone..those that got who they wanted and those that didnt..because our club will not benefit from some individuals saying...'we was right'..but the new gaffer and our team might benefit with our support.

Anyone we get will come with question marks.

Capello has won everything in the game yet we dont want him?
AVB upset a few dikheds at chelsea who needed mothering because they couldnt handle rejection..and they stopped playing for him ..so we dont want him?
Moyes is too boring ,predictable,workmanlike..not our thing at spurs?

etc etc......as if anyone has a sure fire system to pick a winner.


theres pros and cons for absolutely everyone including Mourinhio..i recall folk saying we dont want him hes too negative.

so for me..i think many will have a problem no matter who we get...the thing is managers perform after adapting...Ramos could not so he failed....Capello failed with england but managed to curb the superstars of Real Madrid and win them trophies..maybe its just the english players or English based players whos heads are too far up their own arses...id like to see if AVB had these issues at Porto?

people mock him for saying things like he wants the players to celebrate with him..do you really think that is his philosophy? i dont think he said that at Porto...that was a desperate response to a desperate situation where he felt as though them spoilt little basterds at chelsea needed some bonding because they were insecure..the guys not a numpty...he was just trying...but working with tossers just makes it difficult.
 
The Boss said:
C.CalderwoodDivingHeader now you have gone into more "detail" I can retract the "little brother" you can be my uncle ha, however i'm sure you can understand, if making comments such as:



did lead me to believe you was another one of these naive young fans that just look at stats and can't comprehend the other factors which come into play when managers move from country to country.

The reason I feel "negative" about possibly having AVB as our manager is down to the way he conducts himself, the tactics from his time at chelsea, his general character and I have the impression of him being a young man, small man syndrome with a high opinion of himself due to his success at porto.

Will this matter if he comes to the club and is a success? of course not..why? because like you say, we're all supporting the same club and hoping for the same goal, Tottenham to be a success and get some pride back.

However because of the success arry had and the talent with the current squad AND the "great" appointments of Ramos and Santini, I have little "faith" in the current spurs board when it comes to appointing a manager based on a "new and different approach".

I am dreading AVB becoming our manager and if it happens I'll just have to be quiet and hope he can be a success but right now I don't want him anywhere near this club.
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i dont blame you for being pessimistic Boss..the way things have happened for us in the past have been quite poor..however i think alot of things have evolved...i think as we stand now we have alot more going for us...and a chairman who has grown in his role of putting Spurs first.
 
firstly Boss, chill out mate. You've got strong negative feelings towards the appointment of ABV, which is fair enough as you are allowed your opinion like anyone else, but just be careful how you word things to your other fellow spurs fans. Some comments have been a little harsh and have come across like you're insulting the intelligence of others. Save it for the Wums <ok>

i'm not going to take sides with either of you here in your little debate, but I don't think the point over country to country management is that clear cut. many managers change country and do well; many don't.

Maybe it's more to do with the new club they opt for and the multitude of factors that could differ from their previous club, regardless of the country. The grass isn't always greener and sometimes it just doesn't work out. I just don't think AVB's time at chelsea is fair on the guy for all the reasons that have been pointed out many times.

"I expect at porto, he was under no pressure, in his comfort zone, in a environment he was at ease with and was allowed to build his own team and clearly that suits his style, plus the Portuguese league is hardly a high level overall."

if he joined us, he'd be coming to a club that play decent football, in a style he would admire and improve on further. he'd be able to purchase some of his own players, which would therefore help to put him in his comfort zone and should then in turn eliminate a lot of pressure. - so that comment of yours could work both ways.

I'm not excited over any of the names linked to be honest. i'm actually rather bemused by the entire situation. But there's no getting away from it, AVB has an impressive record at Porto and has won things and recently. some of us have said how we'd like to win something again. this could be a perfect opportunity for us to with the EL. - he knows how to do it. Moyes and Martinez have won **** all between them, despite being very good managers. If we're going to progress to a new level, we need someone with a winning mentality and proof, so every word they say is credible, whether thats AVB or any one else.
 
I apologise, my comments on this forum tend to be brief; I have so many thoughts on Spurs right now, should I elaborate on them I think my head may explode.

Every Spurs fan, with reason, should be skeptical about this potential appointment. He wouldn't have been sacked if he had done well at Chelsea, after all. I have to say, personally, I am not dreading it - quite the contrary, I'm rather intrigued by it. Of course, intrigue is not a basis to put someone in charge of a football club as things can change so drastically: this time next year we could be mid-table again. But I think, presumably like Levy, there is a very good football manager in AVB, and there's a chance we could be the ones to reap the benefits from him. It's undoubtedly a risk, any new appointment is really, and a lot of fans won't like it, but sometimes the unexpected works out : see Hughton/Pardew/Newcastle to a lesser extent.

The situation now is that Redknapp's gone. We have to face that, so now it's a two horse race probably - Moyes or AVB. Whoever comes in is going to find it difficult to get us 4th again, with the big Summer spending of Chelsea. For me, Moyes would be Mr.Reliable; brilliant job at Everton, conducts himself well in interviews, and could do wonders with a bit of money. For some reason though (and it's not naively swayed by a fancy foreign name) I think Villas-Boas might be able to offer that little bit more. Of course, that's just me speculating and we'll have to wait and see. But if he's appointed I wouldn't be surprised at all to see him do a good job.

I've read a fair bit on him, his mannerisms, his research skills, the Bobby and Mourinho days - he's a clever man. If, and it is a big if, he can develop the 'Redknapp' side of his managerial ability i.e/ player management (so important) then I think there are the foundations of a superb manager. I wouldn't write him off just from what happened at Chelsea, it's a poison chalice there.

As you say, whatever happens, we'll all be in it together. There's bound to be low points, but there's most definitely a few more Glory Glory nights in that team yet!
 
C.CalderwoodDivingHeader no need to apologise - if anything I shouldn't be so harsh and i'll take Roos "tip" on "chilling out" time for a cold one!
 
C.CalderwoodDivingHeader said:
AVB had a bad time at Chelsea (they were still 4th/5th under him, with a better league record than RDM). But with a clean slate, and no JT 'mafia', then who's to say he couldn't do a good job at our club. We've certainly got the players to fit his style of play.

If he is appointed, don't have a moan, let's get behind him. There are worse things in life then having AVB in charge of our club. Besides, he won far more in one season at Porto then Redknapp's won in his whole career. So I hope we give him the chance that arguably he didn't get at Chelsea
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I'm sure if he gets the job, and it is still an if, everyone will get behind him. I recall when Rednapp got the job it was about 50/50 whether or not he would do a good job or not. Many Spurs fans did not want him. The only thing we agreed on was that Ramos had to go. In addition, I seem to recall that Fergie had a much worse start at Manure that AVB had at Chavski, but they stuck by him and look what happened there. Fergie had only won the tin pot scottish league before taking over at Old Toilet.
 
I like AVB's commitment. The fact he slept at the training ground in the final weeks of his reign show how much his job meant to him.
 
or maybe he wanted to make sure that Anelka does not try to park in his usual spot first thing in the morning.
 
It can only end in 2 ways, a stroke of genius I'd have to tip my hat to, or the biggest I told you so, we'll see, but I'd prefer to not have to find out.
 
Sorry Notso, but that's not true.
Mourinho left Porto in 2004.
The team that won the Europa League in 2011 under Villas-Boas played a different style and had none of the players that won the Champions League in 2004.
 
I get the feeling that most people's reservations come from the fact that AVB is almost the polar opposite of Redknapp. In Harry we had a top class man-manager and motivator who was often tactically naive, and in AVB we could potentially have a top level tactician and thinker of the game who is too distant and removed from his players. The really top managers obviously have both qualities, and I think this in part is why Levy got rid of Redknapp (apart from the whole England situation etc.), as he recognised that, as good as Harry had been for us, he could take us no further due to his limited grasp of the finer tactical workings of the game. The reason why AVB could work out for us if given a few years is because he is young and has plenty of years left to develop his man-management, and with this squad he might have a far better chance of staying in the job and doing this than he did with a Chelsea squad with far too many egos and players there who were 'part of the furniture'.

That said I'd far rather have Bilic than any of the other names being touted but I feel that is sadly unlikely to happen for us.
 
Considering your comments Huddlefro, it may be extremely important who Villas-Boas names as his assistant, if he does get the job.
Redknapp's affable uncle act had a lot of carrot, so he required the pitbull-esque stick of Joe Jordan for extra discipline, though he could probably have done with less of a yes man in Kevin Bond.
Villas-Boas may need someone to smooth the edges off his message a little and offer encouragement to the team.
 
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