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  1. Sotonist

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    yeah i certainly wondered about that.
     
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  2. pompeymeowth

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    Perhaps Brian Blessed and his Hawkmen could fly them all to a nicer place, whilst Guffawing repeatedly at about 130 decibels all the way.
     
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  3. Schrodinger's Cat

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    On a positive note, the spikes would keep you firmly in place in your sleeping bag, so no nocturnal rolling around.......I'm probably not taking homelessness seriously here, as when I spent a brief period of time homeless, I did have a detached one bedroom Audi saloon to sleep in so never resorted to a doorway
     
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  4. Big_Si

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    It is private property and the owner of the building has the right to install these spikes. If, as has been said, these are luxury flats then each of them is worth a lot of money. If there are people sleeping rough (no matter what the circumstances) in the doorway of this privately owned building, it will affect the market values of the properties inside and lower what the owner can expect to sell them for. This person is in property to make money and maximise his/her profits. None of us would be comfortable about someone sleeping rough in the doorways to our homes and would do what we could to move them on.

    What we all feel morally about homelessness and the problems that arise from it, wouldn't detract from the fact that we would not be happy with someone sleeping rough on our door steps and would more than likely put measures in place to stop it.
     
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  5. saintlyhero

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    Putting your personal profit ahead of another Humans rights is not good on any level.

    There are far better ways of dealing with this circumstance and it doesn't mean you have to house the individual(s) yourself. A call to a local charity like the Salvation Army, the local housing authority or as a last resort the police might be able to assist.
     
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  6. ----HistoryRepeating----

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    There are far better ways of dealing with this circumstance and it doesn't mean you have to house the individual(s) yourself. A call to a local charity like the Salvation Army, the local housing authority or as a last resort the police might be able to assist.

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    Spikes seem more effective. Seriously, the police would laugh at you, the salvation army would listen & want to help & do nothing. People protecting their property is not a violation of someone's human rights. Sad, but true.
     
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  7. Sotonist

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    If that was practical nobody would bother spending money to install studs.

    edit: it would be good if they could put a sign there indicating that the doorway should not be used for sleeping and give contact details or directions to citizens advice though.
     
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  8. Puck

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    I don't think you can really argue a homeless person has the right to sleep on private property.
     
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  9. Dan

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    Why not? I put looking after human beings over minor protection of property rights. And I'm a law student.
     
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  10. Joe!

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    Oh shiiiiit. Nightmare scenario right there. Can't think of anything worse.
     
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    Student being the key word. Not much chance of him crashing at your gaff then, eh! <laugh>
     
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  12. Dan

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    He can feel free. He can curl up on the only free space on my floor that would struggle to fit a cat, or have the bed of cereal boxes in the kitchen that we haven't bothered to recycle yet. I think he'd prefer the streets.
     
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  13. Joe!

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    Why has this become about the legality of it? There's no grey area as to whether he was allowed to install spikes on his property (save possible health and safety issues); this is about whether or not it's a ****ty thing to do, legal or not.
     
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    Good lad, you go save the world one tramp at a time. <magic>
     
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  15. Sotonist

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    then it's no more ****ty than locking your doors and closing your windows. it just has the superficial look of a torture or animal pest control device so all the insincerity of social outrage can spew all over it.
     
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  16. Dan

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    No, because there's a difference between letting people come in and out of your house, and having them sleep on the floor outside your lobby.
    I wasn't talking about the legality of it (though I suppose it is easily misconstrued)
     
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  17. Sotonist

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    why not have them in the stairwell? it's pretty unpleasant to lock up the communal areas of the building, no?
     
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    Admirable ideals, but I think you might lose that court case if you chose to argue on those grounds. We don't have all the property rights I would like in this country, but we certainly have the right not to have an uninvited guest sleeping somewhere on our property.
    I sympathise with those who do find themselves homeless, but they'd get a chilly welcome at my house and certainly wouldn't want to stay more than the first night. I give to homeless charities but that's as far as it goes.
     
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    I'd be interested to read when or where you get to the line that denotes something above "minor protection"... That will be when the conversation gets sticky.
     
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  20. Puck

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    Exactly. As someone else said, if they'd bricked up the alcove, fenced it off or put up a gate to stop people going in there nobody would be making so much fuss.
     
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